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May 08, 2004

Halliburton Pulling the Plug on GI Communications

Halliburton Pulling the Plug on GI Communications

A week after a scandal broke involving photos of American troops torturing Iraqi prisoners, Halliburton subsidiary Kellogg, Brown, & Root is pulling the plug on private electronic communications with the folks back home, apparently at the request of the Department of Defence. See, for example, this note from military blogger ginmar:

I might be getting transferred within the next week to anotehr post. At the very least, KBR is not allowing any private computers on their system for the next ninety days. There might be one other option, but if you don't hear from me for a while...God, I don't know what I'll do about the kitty.

. . . I told them when I got here that I couldn't drive. They insisted on giving me a license. Now they're angry at me because I'm not comfortable driving. Go figure. The fact that this happened almost immediately after SB and I had an argument about it and then it came to someone else's attention is purely coincidental, I'm sure.

Edited to add: Screw it. No matter what it takes, I will get to my email.

Patrick Nielsen Hayden remarks:

Email from a friend with contacts among American troops in Iraq prompts me to wish some journalist would investigate reports that the military has ordered KBR, which provides net connectivity for US camps and bases in Iraq, to cut off all soldiers’ “inessential” access to email and the net for the next 90 days.

The Bush administration has faced rising criticism over the course of the week, with many calling for the resignation of Secretary of Defence, Donald Rumsfeld. Vice President Cheney was the CEO of Halliburton before his departure to become the Vice President of the United States.

Kathryn Cramer at May 8, 2004 01:14 PM | Link Cosmos | Purple Numbers | Edit
Comments

This really sucks. There's a great program called http://www.anysoldier.us which allows civilians to send care packages to soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Many of these men and women use e-mail to communicate the needs of their units -- I suppose they can use snail mail, but it takes 14 days for mail to get priority from Maryland to the War Zone and by the time the mail gets in, a unit might have some other APO address.

Once again, the Bush Administration in action -- making the wrong decisions, for the wrong reasons.

Posted by: tinheart at May 8, 2004 09:36 PM

Looks like they brought in the plumbers to plug the leaks.

Posted by: LQ at May 8, 2004 09:37 PM

Why do soldiers have to send email to the public to get "care packages"? Shouldn't they be sending emails to the army depot (or to KBR)?

How much money is KBR saving (making) by relying on private citizens in America to provide soldiers with the things they need?

Posted by: - at May 8, 2004 09:45 PM

Soldiers and their families back home, rely on email access to keep in touch with loved ones and let them know they are still alive. It's a great moral boost for soldiers as well.

If they follow through with this, it will be an incredible kick in the gut to morale, which is probably not all that high to begin with.

Why does DoD and Halliburton hate our soldiers?

Posted by: renato at May 8, 2004 09:55 PM

Here's the problem -- Bush was so eager to privatize his war in Iraq that he turned over traditional army supplies, including food and ammunition (!!!!) to private contractors like KBR.

Then the Iraqis started attacking the contractors. It worked. The contractors fled. Hell, I'd flee, too. Over 30 KBR contractors have been killed in Iraq. (http://biz.yahoo.com/rm/040413/iraq_convoys_1.html)

How does this affect support in Iraq? No one's saying. No one wants to tell Mr. and Mrs. America that Junior might be down to three MREs and a magazine clip because Junior's contractor truck that has his food on it is parked somewhere in Kirkul.

Posted by: tinheart at May 8, 2004 10:00 PM

I hope nobody here actually thinks that Bush is involved in any Iraq decision-making. He may be saying 'OK' and 'Sure' and 'Whatever you think is best Dick', but he has no comprehension of what's going on over there, nor how his lack of leadership is f*cking everything up over there...

Posted by: Peter at May 8, 2004 10:18 PM

America needs to fully withdraw all its people right now and give the Iraqiis their country back.Cancel all contracts made post invasion and pay compensation to a new self managed, democratic Iraq. No UN,just give it back and let them sort things themself. Their society has existed for hundreds of years and will continue.

Posted by: tom at May 8, 2004 11:46 PM

Just leaving wont make a new 'self managed, democratic' Iraq. It will likely result in a two-or-three way split, with a large part of the country establishing an Islamist theocracy.

Posted by: Sandals at May 9, 2004 12:25 AM

Wonder what Moja Vera of Turningtables would think about this.

Posted by: Sharoney at May 9, 2004 12:31 AM

"Just leaving wont make a new 'self managed, democratic' Iraq. It will likely result in a two-or-three way split, with a large part of the country establishing an Islamist theocracy."

Sandals,I think it not your business, anyway. As far as I know you are not Iraqi to deside what to do with Iraq and how. It is called imperialism and colonialism if you are not aware. And Islamist theocracy is precisely what Iranians got after USA liberated them from secular democratic Mossadyq and installed torture-loving Shach. Iranians got rid of Shach but almost all the potential to democrathy was unrooted by the time. The same with Afghanistan.

Posted by: lidiavolgina at May 9, 2004 03:06 AM

lidiavolgina, surely us white christian Americans (who invented democracy and freedom, remember) know what is best for those poor souls over there in Iraq? I mean, for the last 10 years they couldn't even feed their children, if it wasn't for our generous support! Saddam sanctioned his own people! He even abused them with chemical lights and kept them chained up and naked and forced them to form human pyramids for his amusement!

If we withdraw from iraq now there will be chaos and eventually a muslim will come to power and we'll be back where we started and have to invade again. Is that what you want? Well, do ya?

Posted by: mohammed al-franken at May 9, 2004 06:02 AM

That should impede any transmission of photo files (or tell-all text files) from soldiers in Iraq to the folks back home.

And snailmailed diskettes can be intercepted and scanned for anything embarrassing to the Powers That Be.

In other words, this helps military censors control the flow of information.

Posted by: Raven at May 9, 2004 07:21 AM

I don't think this is just to block email. The GOP does not want the troops finding out just what a f**k up they have made of the whole war, from start to quagmire.

Posted by: Phill at May 9, 2004 09:24 AM

mohammed, it was my quotation ( with quotational marks)of "Sandals words". Please, read MY post below the quote

Posted by: lidiavolgina at May 9, 2004 10:08 AM

It is funny how people forget that Mesopotamia (Iraq) had one of the first forms of democracy in history...

Why do they need us again?

Posted by: grenouf at May 9, 2004 11:10 AM

GRENOUF WROTE:

"It is funny how people forget that Mesopotamia (Iraq) had one of the first forms of democracy in history...

Why do they need us again?"

If you cant answer this question yourself then you are a retard.

Posted by: MARINE03 at May 9, 2004 12:57 PM

Halliburton is not "the Bush administration" even though the news media has made you believe that over the past few months.

Posted by: Steve at May 9, 2004 01:00 PM

Unfortunatly, you're right: Haliburton is not administered by Bush. If it was, we would likely see transparent lies, ineffective leadership, cash-losing policies and a blatant ignorance of the facts.

Posted by: cs muncy at May 9, 2004 01:11 PM

I sincerely hope that some of you people don't feel the need to commit suicide when your world ends in November after Bush takes the election.

Look on the bright side! Saturday Night Live will have 4 more years of material to make crappy skits about!

Posted by: Steve at May 9, 2004 01:23 PM

"Unfortunatly, you're right: Haliburton is not administered by Bush"

you're right... its run by chaney

Posted by: Bob Westwood at May 9, 2004 01:24 PM

Yes, and I'm sure the fact that Cheney used to be CEO of Haliburton, and the fact that they got lots of juicy Iraq contracts was a complete coincidence. I'm also totally sure there's no way this actually enriches Cheney's stock portfolio by shoveling money into Haliburtons coffers.

It so funny how there is this long string of events since Bush took office that have enriched the pockets of a select few, but people refuse to beleive they have anything to do with those events.

Posted by: who cares at May 9, 2004 01:26 PM

Yes, and I'm sure the fact that Cheney used to be CEO of Haliburton, and the fact that they got lots of juicy Iraq contracts was a complete coincidence. I'm also totally sure there's no way this actually enriches Cheney's stock portfolio by shoveling money into Haliburtons coffers.

It so funny how there is this long string of events since Bush took office that have enriched the pockets of a select few, but people refuse to beleive they have anything to do with those events. Quite a coincidence.

Posted by: who cares at May 9, 2004 01:27 PM

If Bush wins the next election, I am moving out of the country. I will not be subjected to another 4 years of him. And I hope there are enough people out there to do the same.

Posted by: Devon at May 9, 2004 01:28 PM

"If Bush wins the next election, I am moving out of the country. I will not be subjected to another 4 years of him. And I hope there are enough people out there to do the same."

Posted by: Devon at May 9, 2004 01:28 PM

Yeah sure...the battlecry of the Democratic Party. You can move in with all the celebrities who've made the same hollow threat (promise?)

Posted by: Homer at May 9, 2004 01:35 PM

Particularly funny was the claim by Bush that he read the riot act to Rumsfeld. Please. Bush doesn't have the brains or the guts to chew anybody out, let alone a craven madman like Rummy. It continues to be astonishing how many lies people will believe about The Worst President in History. How a once proud country like America could wind up with such a shallow, thoughtless moron as President I'll never understand. Maybe Antonin Scalia can explain it to me.

Posted by: Charles Errolls at May 9, 2004 01:38 PM

"Saddam sanctioned his own people! He even abused them with chemical lights and kept them chained up and naked and forced them to form human pyramids for his amusement!"

What's changed exactly, besides the leadership?

Posted by: Dervish at May 9, 2004 01:47 PM

Most of you sound like the only thing you have ever WATCHED is the nightly news. The nightly news in America is not news: it is enterainment information that is designed to keep you watching after the next advert. I personally read the New York Times, the New York Post, the Washington Post, and religiously watch BBC for my information. Without multiple sources of national and international information you will be constantly be mislead by your own ignorance.

The times we are in have never been seen by our country. We have never before been attacked on our own soil like 9/11 (Pearl Harbor notwithstanding). The US landmass is in the crosshairs of a multi-national crime syndicate that is very much interested in expanding its reach.
I will bet a hundred dollars that the next time the US landmass is attacked you won't be complaining about the war in Iraq: you will be complaining that the administration has not done enough in preventing the deaths of more Americans on our own soil. Then, when the administration does something you will complain that it is too much. Considering this is a new model for our global foreign policy I would think that mistakes will be made. If you think that it will be perfect then you are sorely mistaken.
It is time to realize that your coveted liberties have and will always come at a cost.
Finally, if you don't want the current administration in office, then go and vote. I already know that more than half of you will not vote, just like in 2000.

Posted by: Sobriqyet at May 9, 2004 02:00 PM

"Why do they need us again?"

Well... we just invaded the country and decapitated their political leadership by taking out a certain Iraqi strongman, killing hundreds of their soldiers and civilians in the process, throwing their whole economy and country into complete chaos.
If we don't stay and help them through the mess we've created, you can bet there will be plenty of warlords who'll throw up a claim to the title of supreme ruler of Iraq.

Posted by: mrFREEZE at May 9, 2004 02:05 PM

Jeese it?s only e-mail.

I spent 7 months in a submarine with no e-mail. no wind, no sun shine, no fresh air, no news... Everyone will be fine.

Posted by: masked_superstar at May 9, 2004 02:08 PM

Continuing to support the Bush Regime's actions at this point is tantamount to the support Germany's populace gave Hitler as he was starting out his homicidal mania.....

Get an f**cking clue!

Posted by: disgustedamerican at May 9, 2004 02:13 PM

How does 'no private computers on the network' equal 'no internet access'?

I work in IT and I don't allow people to bring their private computers on the company network, its a security thing. This has probably nothing to do with eeeee-vil Halliburton-corporation-conspiracy-theory-of-the-week and all the more to do with the Sasser worm

Nothing to see here folks, move along.

Posted by: Innismir at May 9, 2004 02:14 PM

mrFREEZE : It's not about e-mail, it's about CENSORSHIP! The Pentagon censors everything that makes them look bad or makes things appear more realistic and not so optimistic. The journalists in Iraq are confined to designated reporting areas, and are shot at or disappear if they go outside the boundries. They can't take photos of caskettes full of fallen soldiers that died for their country because of law(s) passed for censorship.

It's a joke, if these things are happening (whether it be for fun, for interrogation tactics, or whatever other reasons [in reference to prisoner abuse]) they should be brought to the American public's attention, they are funding the war, and the people supporting the war(s) in other countries should be well aware of what they are involved in.

Posted by: D00fy at May 9, 2004 02:16 PM

Hm, I used to think that guys claiming to watch BBC at least have to know that 9/11 and Saddam(aka "Iraq liberation") has nothing to do with each other. I was mistaken, it seems...

Posted by: lidiavolgina at May 9, 2004 02:23 PM

D00fy solders, sailors, airmen and marines give up their right to censorship while on duty.

they voluntarily gave this right up.

Posted by: masked_superstar at May 9, 2004 02:26 PM

And being Israeli I might add that to learn from Israel rullers to "fight terror" aka torture and such has no more sence than to learn from dead how to live. Israel is not safe. Now it is the most dangerous place to Jews in the whole world - thanks to the same methods that USA rulers are practicing now in Iraq etc...

Posted by: lidiavolgina at May 9, 2004 02:28 PM

D00fy solders, sailors, airmen and marines give up their right to censorship while on duty.

they voluntarily gave this right up.

Posted by: masked_superstar at May 9, 2004 02:29 PM

lidiavolgina : What, were the aluminum housing tubes that Saddam possessed, and the CIA-doctored African weapons-grade plutonium documents not proof enough that Saddam master minded and funded it?

I think the only proof of this war is: Ignornace, desperation, fear (Government shock and terror), non-resolution, and public tolerance for a dictatorship regime-like government.

That's cool though, while the US Government is busy invading other countries they'll be too busy to fully implement the dictatorship laws they intend to go through with for their own people.

I'm just bitter that Canada was listed in the top 5 for terrorist attacks, that's a kick in the ass.

Posted by: D00fy at May 9, 2004 02:35 PM

It amazes me how many experts there are here who just don't know the first f*cking thing about what's going on in Washington DC or in Iraq. I agree with Sobriqyet, but even if you are absorbing all sorts of different news sources you are still relying on other people for your news and you can't trust anyone who wants to make journalism a career. You're being led around by the nose if you do.

And who the f*ck thinks that mesopotamia had the first form of democracy? What is that sh*t? Even if they had, its not as though there is any sort of continuum between the B.C. era middle east and the modern bed of terrorism. Israel is the only democracy (republic, actually) in the area now, and up to WWI the entire area was subject to the Ottoman Empire. They have ZERO experience with self government and certainly aren't mature or tolerant enough to keep from killing eachother for a decade or more if we leave. If we did pull out of the middle east entirely all of you people would be b*tching about how the awful civil war in Iraq is all Bush's fault. F*ck you hippies. Make me want to puke.

Posted by: sillyhippies at May 9, 2004 02:38 PM

masked_superstar : That's understood, however my comments were more directed at the government's actions in general, not specifically for the enlisted. As for journalists I'm sure they have contracts and agreements up the wazzoo with the government too to keep them in line, however as for the citizens funding the war, do you feel they should be censored too?

Anyone whom is apart of this war is putting their head on the chopping block, we should atleast not be blind folded. I for one would like to be able to take one last deep breath before the gullotine comes sliding down.

Posted by: d00fy at May 9, 2004 02:41 PM

Do you feel that taxpayers are being censored?

Posted by: sillyhippies at May 9, 2004 02:44 PM

like someone is coming to your house right now to take you away to a new gestapo interrogation center?

Posted by: sillyhippies at May 9, 2004 02:45 PM

the general public loves "The Bachelor," "Friends," and believes that the SNL cast should be calling the shots at the top government level. You think they really want to know the reality of this world? How many people out of 100 ever actually take 2 steps out of the baseball and apple pie bubble that we all grew up in. The world is not a nice and reasonable place like your American Suburb or Canadian dope smoking province. The sheer volume of people who hate you simply because you grew up safe, warm, and comfortable and your biggest concern is to keep from getting fat is mind boggling and if people knew the half of it we would be a nation afraid to step outside.

Posted by: sillyhippies at May 9, 2004 02:53 PM

"Nothing to see here folks, move along."
BullSh*t ! What stake do you have in telling people not to look at facts. "Halliburton is not the Bush Administration" ? It sure as hell is some of them. Raking in billions off of its former CEO's military decisions, but, uh... no connection, nothing to see here. Pulling the plug on email one day after Rummy complains that the real problem in Iraq are all those pesky digicams. No connection after all "I didn't need no steenkin email." You Bushista internet operatives are out of your element. Everyone in the whole g*ddamned world knows the truth. Everyone has seen the photos. The first thing any investigation looks at is 'cui bono?'-who benefits. Halliburton makes billions, Bush cash cow Carlyle makes billions. Bush Cheney Rice etc. with millions invested in oil while gas costs an astronomical $2.25 a gallon. My electric bill has risen to over $200 a month! the outright lies about 911 and the build up to Iraq have been documted elsewhere, but they are incontrovertable! This whole Rush-style "You liberal, conspiracy theory pussies should stop whinin'" rhetoric is sub-juvenile. The facts are out. You're out of your element, Donny. You are out of your element.

Posted by: Steve Zeitz at May 9, 2004 02:55 PM

"Nothing to see here folks, move along."
BullSh*t ! What stake do you have in telling people not to look at facts. "Halliburton is not the Bush Administration" ? It sure as hell is some of them. Raking in billions off of its former CEO's military decisions, but, uh... no connection, nothing to see here. Pulling the plug on email one day after Rummy complains that the real problem in Iraq are all those pesky digicams. No connection after all "I didn't need no steenkin email." You Bushista internet operatives are out of your element. Everyone in the whole g*ddamned world knows the truth. Everyone has seen the photos. The first thing any investigation looks at is 'cui bono?'-who benefits. Halliburton makes billions, Bush cash cow Carlyle makes billions. Bush Cheney Rice etc. with millions invested in oil while gas costs an astronomical $2.25 a gallon. My electric bill has risen to over $200 a month! the outright lies about 911 and the build up to Iraq have been documted elsewhere, but they are incontrovertable! This whole Rush-style "You liberal, conspiracy theory pussies should stop whinin'" rhetoric is sub-juvenile. The facts are out. You're out of your element, Donny. You are out of your element.

Posted by: Steve Zeitz at May 9, 2004 02:55 PM

I tried to give the American system a chance.....God knows that for over 40 years I tried. But it just didn't measure up to my expectations of a society. So a decade ago, I decided to switch.....to German social democracy. www.spd.de There's no perfect system, to be sure, but at least in social democracy, tax dollars are used to benefit the citizens, instead of being used to protect the interests of the wealthy.

Posted by: on_a_train at May 9, 2004 02:57 PM

Canada is censored, and Canada is far more relaxed then the US, so to say that America isn't censored, or the "Taxpayers" would be completely ignorant of you, I don't think that anyone could be that arrogant (you could prove me wrong).

"like someone is coming to your house right now to take you away to a new gestapo interrogation center?"

It's funny how sarcastic you truly think you are being. Let me mention 2 acts: Partriot Act\Victory Act. If you commit a misdemenor they can classify you as a terrorist without prosecuting you, and have your rights as a citizen stripped away from you. Not even to mention a law that is in the works to be passed right now, that allows the government to put misdamenors of 2 years or more on capital punishment.

So, if I pissed them off, perhaps if I spoke publically instead of dealing with voiceless minds on the internet, and I so much as Jay-walked, yeah, they could break\walk into my home without a warrant, take me away and interrogate me without cause for how ever long they deem necessary - without cause. Gestapo? On the extreme side of things, yes, it's unlikely they would do that, but pretty damn close. (and just incase you want to look into it, see how many *terrorists* (not average law-bidding american citizens) have been prosecuted under the Patriot Acts). It's nice to have exploits.

Posted by: d00fy at May 9, 2004 02:59 PM

Well, I've done some investigating, and it turns out that there is no "e-mail ban" in Iraq.

Posted by: SMASH at May 9, 2004 02:59 PM

I left after Bush was elected..though not to France he he he.....

It's fun over here watching it slowly implode..

I'll Never go back....

Posted by: EX_PATRIOT at May 9, 2004 03:04 PM

Yes, it's true, this is a ban for private systems, which was mentioned in at least one other post I saw above, not a ban on internet usage. This is merely the put a choke hold on non-essential data transfer. It's far easier to trace the logs and prevent the transfer of unwanted data (for instance pics of naked\tortured\beaten prisoners) when everything is on a locked down netwerk.

Posted by: D00fy at May 9, 2004 03:07 PM

What could a lot of high school educated soldiers possibly send in an e-mail that the Bush administration would want to censor? Could it be that GW and Dick, who didn't know what Rummy's Pentagon was up to in the Iraqi prison, also not know what the common folk are up to as well?

Posted by: Frank Deet at May 9, 2004 03:09 PM

I'm not sure if you're referring to my "sub-juvenile rhetoric" or not because I certainly didn't bring into question anything about Halliburton's many en flagrante errors. My first job out of college was as an auditor for a major oilfield service company who's colors happen to be red and white. It was apparent that the company was extremely poorly run so I resigned after six months. You will get no argument from me that Halliburton is composed of jerks who are ethically challenged, but you also don't seem to understand the oil and gas industry very well. Halliburton doesn't produce oil. They are involved in almost every other aspect of the industry, but they certainly have no responsibility for the sky rocketing gas prices. They are making a tidy profit over there, but I'm sure that outsourcing to halliburton for supply and services is cheaper than having the US armed forces perform the same duties. It seems that its ok to kill Americans in Iraq as long as they work for Halliburton. I don't know if that means anything to you silly hippies or not. By the way, how is pretending to know all the facts that you got from some stoolie on cnn and quoting the big lebowski not juvenile?

Posted by: sillyhippies at May 9, 2004 03:19 PM

Kathryn:

The military has controlled troops' communications in every war. First it was letters, now it's email.

Anyone with official military email firstname.lastname@host.branchofservice.mil, which is everyone, can still email home. All they've shut down is the COURTESY PROVIDED public mail. I seem to recall that most corporations don't like employees using hotmail and such on company time.

Likely what happened here is a bunch of people started expressing opinions about allegations of abuse and getting quoted "officially" on blogs. It should be obvious why this is bad.

All military paperwork that involves Privacy Act of 1974 data or personal info--which certainly includes criminal proceedings--is classified secret and need to know. And neither you nor I need to know until they have finished the investigation. At that point, as with the pilot nailed for friendly fire, it will become public.

I see Kerry's whining that we are "tepid and slow" because we haven't lined anyone up and shot them yet, but there's this thing called "due process." The majority of the military IS disgusted and REALLY DOES want these actions punished...in the appropriate way, after a trial, and no, "I was just following orders" isn't an excuse.

Haliburton started operations in Iraq in 1987. Very clever of them to have a time machine hidden to set up for this brazen attempt to cash in on the war. ;-)

Military contractors and "camp followers" have been a weak spot throughout human history. There were civilian engineers aboard the carriers at Midway, for example. It's part and parcel of war, a problem to be dealt with, and a quick read of military SF or history will show the plusses and minuses of it. Try reading about a subject before commenting. It's the intellectual thing to do.

As to "Friends who know people," why don't you take it first hand that re-enlistments are at an all time HIGH, new enlistments are above quota, and most of the military is volunteering to deploy? "Friends who know people" are a tertiary source of hearsay at best, and not admissible in legal or scientific proceedings.

Really, you're getting upset over a bunch of nothing. And, as much as it pains lots of people, including me, Bush REALLY IS popular with the troops. I'm sure many would like it to be otherwise, but saying so doesn't make it reality, and repeating the lie just makes it silly.
The Left got rid of their most electable candidates, and my money is on Bush to beat Kerry. Personally, I'd prefer not to have either one, but I can face reality without it having to kick me in the teeth.

His critics are largely ignored, his gadflies get all the press, and they bring up stuff like this, the idiocy about his Guard service (another bunch of nothing made into a mountain, that was highly insulting to about 1.5 million Guardsmen and millions more Guard veterans), and irrelevancies all around.

Frankly, there needs to be some REAL criticism or it's all a waste.

And yes, sadly, we COULD do worse than Bush. Much worse. Take a look back through this century.

Mike

Posted by: Mike Williamson at May 9, 2004 03:31 PM

sillyhippy... nah, it's not automically "ok" if it's a Halliburton contractor that die, however I would probably be more "ok" with seeing some headlines stating some fat-cat Halliburton investors are starting to drop like flies.

//Jealous of the rich and un-ethically corrupt

Posted by: D00fy at May 9, 2004 03:33 PM

DOOfy,

You're right about the patriot act, that is frightening, but what do you think provoked that measure? Do you think Joe America and his wife and 2.4 kids are such an unstable base that they need to have "snatch and grab" legislation ready? All of our borders are open. All of the borders of our neighbor to the north are even more open. Would you like to know what scares me more than the patriot act? My university has a major exchange program with the middle east, particularly the engineering school. On September 1st 2001 about 3/4 of the Saudi exchange students pulled out of the program and returned home. You'll never read about that anywhere and I'm sure it wasn't an isolated incident. That scares me too.

Posted by: sillyhippies at May 9, 2004 03:34 PM

The part that angers me sillyhippies, is that those Acts aren't to prevent terrorism, or deal with the "traditional term\sense" of a terrorist, its to deal with Citizens of the country, the average citizens.

The whole War on Terrorism is just as much as a joke as the War on Drugs. Dubya learned well from his father, even if it was just "not what to do".

The whole open boarder situation should be a complete eye-opener. The US's actions on terrorism is so inconsistent, you can't help but not trust their intentions.

Posted by: d00fy at May 9, 2004 03:39 PM

Heh, considering I'm in Iraq, I'm surprised Civilian America truly cares this much about us Soldiers, enough to argude with each other like a bunch of Iraqui workers on a lunchbreak. But this entire little thread about Internet usage...heh, it's laughable.

KBR cannot come into my compound and unplug this switch. And nobody can prevent my personal sattelite system I have hooked up for the soldiers here. Listen, KBR doesn't control the internet usage we receive. They may close down or quelch some propriety centers, but we still have the AT&T phone centers, and even if the entire civilian contract force leaves, we Army soldiers still possess NIPR net. Which is an unclassified network of military servers which provide internet. No civilian force can stop us from getting on the internet in some form or the other. And most Units allow their soldiers some type of morale service on the evening off-duty periods of time.

So don't worry about us much, but thank you for your thoughts. But' we're soldiers. We aren't children to be pities. Care packages and services are much appreciated, but believe me, we can function with or without it. We have to. It's beyond our job, it's our survival. We're prepared to take care of ourselves in moments like these. So trust in our strength, it's the strength of our country combined.

Posted by: StrikerK at May 9, 2004 03:42 PM

> And who the f*ck thinks that mesopotamia had the
> first form of democracy? What is that sh*t?

Anyone who isn't a complete ignoramus like yourself.

Americans are generally ignorant about virtually
everything except their beloved violent sports,
pathethic sit-coms and degrading reality TV shows.

Try reading a history book for a change!

> Even if they had, its not as though there is
> any sort of continuum between the B.C. era
> middle east and the modern bed of terrorism.

You mean Israel and the US? You are right,
these terrorist capitals / imperialists have little
to do with the old Mesopotamian democracy.

> Israel is the only democracy (republic, actually)
> in the area now,

Israel is a fascist apartheid state. It is not a
democracy, though you are not the only one
to promulgate that lie, and certainly not a
republic, as Arabs have no human rights in
that Apartheid state (or next you will tell me
that Apartheid South Africa was "democractic"
because Whites got to vote and were entitled
to human rights).

> and up to WWI the entire area
> was subject to the Ottoman Empire.
> They have ZERO experience with self
> government and certainly aren't mature

Do you know what a tribe is? Ahh,
forget it . . . .

> or tolerant enough to keep from killing
> eachother for a decade or more if we
> leave.

That would be their problem, wouldn't it?

You sound just like those chauvinist
Americans such as Theodore Roosevelt,
who felt the US had to regularly bomb
South American and Central American
countries b/c those "little people" were
not "mature" enough to "take care of
themselves". Hey, you racist fascist, you
are far more challenged than the dumbest
Iraqi.

> If we did pull out of the middle east
> entirely all of you people would be
> b*tching about how the awful civil war
> in Iraq is all Bush's fault. F*ck you
> hippies. Make me want to puke.

At least, if you puked, at least something
of some (past) value would come out of
that dark hole you call your mouth!

Posted by: Dre at May 9, 2004 03:46 PM

I asure that I am no "hippy"- I work for a living and this ain't 1969. I guess that the word was hippies, but I am not associated in any way with anyone else, especially when it is regardind my opinions. I do appreciate the adult response, discourse is what this is all about. I do not pretend to know ALL the facts, that is not very possible. I do not know what the price of having this group or that do what services could possibly be, nor would I want to deal with that as my responsibility. That being said, the Secretary of Defense said in his testimony yesterday that the Real problem was these danged didgital cameras . The Bush Admnin. is in a whirl-wind of damage control. The "Big Lebowski" qoute is still relevent, if silly

Posted by: Steve Zeitz at May 9, 2004 03:46 PM

Doofy,

We'll just have to agree not to disagree there. I guess if you're going to seek public forum to discredit the government you should walk a straight line. Is it really that hard not to commit any misdemeanors? It certainly isn't difficult to avoid felonies. At least if you are following the rules you have some degree of protection.

Posted by: sillyhippies at May 9, 2004 03:49 PM

Excuse my typing, read "AGREE TO DISAGREE"

Posted by: sillyhippies at May 9, 2004 03:49 PM

If there were four airplanes that crashed on 9/11, why have we only seen pictures of two? If one of the most photographed buildings in the world was the subject of an attack, it seems to me someone would have taken a picture. The Bush crime family is very good at making us watch the right hand while the left turns our pockets wrong side out, and we never even suspect.

Posted by: LaryDean at May 9, 2004 03:57 PM

If anyone wants some of that cushy, high profit Haliburton money, there are a few vacancies opening up every once in a while - and you all have their stock, don't you?

War plans don't always work out because - surprise - the enemy tries to keep them from working out.

Oh - don't let the door knob hit you in the ass.

Posted by: Walter Wallis at May 9, 2004 03:59 PM

Dre,

You seem a bit angry...

"Do you know what a tribe is? Ahh,
forget it . . . ."

Believe it or not, I understand what a tribe is. Maybe you can help me by explaining just what that has to do with experience with government. That's like saying that rolling with the crip 60's or some militia group in Montana means you're ready to put together a national government. The tribes fight with eachother and don't trust eachother, and are likely to engage in genocide without some stabilizing force...

"That would be their problem, wouldn't it?"

...and that would be OUR problem if for no other reason than we would shoulder all of the blame for whatever befell the people there. In afghanistan the tribes that cooperated with our forces often gave us false intelligence to eliminate their rivals. Your tribes are more like mafia families.

Its unfortunate when people, like you, are educated beyond their intelligence.

Posted by: sillyhippies at May 9, 2004 04:10 PM

I'm sure after the second sentence, about half of you will quit reading. I work for Halliburton. I have worked for Halliburton since 1999, while Dick Cheney was CEO (hadn't you heard?). What so many people do not realize is that the contract that KBR has with the U.S. government, known as LOGCAP III, was forged while Clinton was President. In other words, Cheney was still CEO (and not yet VP) when this deal went through. Cheney has no dealings with or holdings in Halliburton now, nor does he profit based on anything we do. Does Halliburton have political ties to the Bush Adminstration? Almost certainly, just as many other companies do. Many compaines (such as Enron, Global Crossing, et al.) had ties to the Clinton Administration also. It is the nature of politics in the American system for companies to lobby and side with those who can work for their interests. Is this always ethical? No, but it is not intrinsically unethical, either.

We at Halliburton are proud of our country, our troops, and our employees who put themselves in harms way. Are we making money in Iraq? Certainly we are. It is the purpose of business to make money. However, we are also helping the citizens of Iraq build new lives in the post-Saddam era. We are helping to rebuild the water systems, and the energy infrastructure of the country. Without this, present and future Iraqis would not have any access to the vast natural resources (primarily petroleum) that Iraq possesses. Without these resources, the Iraqi people will either be completely dependent on charity, will be forced to move elsewhere, or starve. We would like to give them freedom and wealth instead.

If you do not like the policies of the US Government, it is your right as an American to dissent, and to vote your conscience. However, you should not hold Halliburton responsible for decisions with which you disagree that are made by our government. We are just doing our job in Iraq, and I would like to see our troops come home as soon as possible, too. At the same time, we must not leave the Iraqi people at the mercy of the terrorists that now wish to throw the US out of Iraq. We must, as they say, "finish the job", or the Iraqi people will never forgive America for leaving them in need.

May God bless America, and may God bless our troops. May there be true peace in the world, and may evil reign no more.

Posted by: David at May 9, 2004 04:29 PM

Kill the spiders. Save the butterflies. It makes sense until you realize that by doing so you become a spider yourself.

Killing is not the answer if you ask me. Defense no one can fault another for self defense when it is blatantly so, however pre-emtive defense is nothing more than unprovoked attack.

Posted by: Xavior7562k2 at May 9, 2004 04:34 PM

> Believe it or not, I understand what a tribe is.

Which statement is immediately disproved by
what follows . . . .

> . . . . The tribes fight with eachother and don't
> trust eachother, and are likely to engage
> in genocide without some stabilizing force...

The evidence for which is what - your crystal
ball? Or perhaps it makes sense to look at
some of the liberated zones, like Fallujah, where
the tribal system has resulted in instant order
the moment the torturing, murdering Terrorlition
was evicted from its brutal and unlawful
occupation.

You might also, in the unlikely event you have
access to a history book, see how Iraq has handled
transitions in the past, such as when they previously
kicked out invaders.

Now, genocide is a tool of the Europeans, incl.
the Kazhars. Look for genocide around the world
and you will find the British, the Israelis or the US
involved up to their necks in it, usu. through their
terrorist cells CIA, MI6 and Mossad.

> In afghanistan the tribes that cooperated with
> our forces often gave us false intelligence to
> eliminate their rivals.

First, you are switching countries on me. Second,
you are admitting it was the US forces that then
commited the crimes. Sure, almost all the torture
victims in Guantanemo Bay are innocent.

When you institute totalitarian government, like you
Stalin-wannabees in the US are trying to do (OK,
so you call yourselves "neo-Coms", or "neo-conjobs",
but philosophically it is totalitarianism), you end up
with mainly innocent people being hurt b/c the
scumbags make false reports a/g the innocent.
Duhhhh! Maybe you might consider, that this is
one of the primary reasons the US has a Bill of
Rights, you incomprehensibly moronic simpleton?

> Your tribes are more like mafia families.

My tribes? I don't belong to any tribe.

But by comparing tribes to organized crime you
have inadvertently hit on an intelligent observation.
All goverment is organized crime, and the job of the
people is to be constantly vigilant to protect
themselves against the criminals like Bush, Cheney,
Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, Ashcroft and the other
hooligans and scumbags which run the US like a
huge criminal enterprise. Except id*ots like you
want to keep giving the worst of humanity more
power and more weapons and more technlogy the
better to enslave everyone else.

It's unfortunate when people like you are so
uneducated.

Posted by: Dre at May 9, 2004 04:34 PM

Hmmm, prevent electronic com for 90 days. I'm just starting to think I'm glad the soldier of today was not in WWI or WWII and Korea or Viet-Nam. How long do you think it took for those men and women to get news from home? They were able to make it without near instant messaging. Why are we supposing they can not today? Are we saying our soldier today is weaker than those of past wars? We ARE forgetting that the actions of a few FOOLS will drag this war out longer than it would have been and have caused this 90 suspension. We will see our Democrat sided media blow this all out of proportion like they did with the reading of the names of the troops killed in the war against terrorism. If that was not a big anti-war Democrat run paid commercial, where were the faces and names of the troops killed in Afghanistan?

Posted by: LeRoy at May 9, 2004 04:35 PM

You cannot even have a conversation about Hallibuton's policies without one of their operatives trying to control the direction of it. You cannot be satisfied just censoring what the soldiers post, but feel the need to blather all over civilians so they cannot have a voice either.

Posted by: Steve Zeitz at May 9, 2004 04:36 PM

LeRoy, you prove what you are and you are still out of your element. This was never about treating soldiers like a bunch of candy asses, this is about stemming the flood of photographs of the real war from drowning the Bush administration. All that rhetoric still does not absolve them from the warcrimes nor their fallout.

Posted by: Steve Zeitz at May 9, 2004 04:42 PM

Maybe we should just pull out all of the American Troops and make one big glass parking lot of the entire middle east. Then we wouldn't have to worry about it. And then all of you people who have no idea what we're working for will shut your ignorant mouths. Just becuase the Internet allows a voice for you, doesn't mean that anyone wants to hear what you have to say.

Posted by: Nuschel at May 9, 2004 04:48 PM

Nuschel
It really doesn't matter what you think you are working for if it is wrong, or in the case of prisoner abuse, illegal. The internet doesn't "allow" us a voice. the 1st ammendment does however. You admit it is "all" of "us", are speaking up, so by your very argument you are admittig that it is you who have the minority viewpoint. it is too late , anyway. those pictures are all over the world so it really doesn't matter what you say about that.

Posted by: Steve Zeitz at May 9, 2004 04:54 PM

www.infowars.com


Posted by: bob at May 9, 2004 04:58 PM

Nuschel...I no longer adhere to the American policy line, such as the one you are advocating. I follow the German line now.

We all have to serve SOMEONE...but we in a free country can choose whom we want to serve. And we no longer have to serve those from the country where we were born.

We are limited only by our own selves.

Posted by: on_a_train at May 9, 2004 05:00 PM

> I have worked for Halliburton since 1999, while Dick Cheney was CEO
> (hadn't you heard?). What so many people do not realize is that the
> contract that KBR has with the U.S. government, known as LOGCAP III,
> was forged while Clinton was President.

I guess disinformation has no borders. Most of the current work (worth
billions of dollars) was assigned under no-bid contracts *after* the invasion.

Moreover, it doesn't really matter how the contract got in place. The
point is that Cheney is a prime architect of this unlawful, brutal
war of destruction and his company stands to gain billions from it.
Another poster was referring to "organized crime" before . . . .

> Cheney has no dealings with

That's a lie. At a minimum he continues to receive annual payments
from Halliburton, although for cosmetic purposes they have been insured.
But how much stock in Halliburton Cheney owns in Swiss bank accounts,
or what he has been promised in return for brining Halliburton all this
lucrative, no-bid, monopoly, price-gouging contract work, is open to
speculation. Certainly whatever this practiced liar has to say about it,
is not important.

> or holdings in Halliburton now, nor does he profit
> based on anything we do. Does Halliburton have political ties to the
> Bush Adminstration? Almost certainly, just as many other companies do.
> Many compaines (such as Enron, Global Crossing, et al.) had ties to
> the Clinton Administration also. It is the nature of politics in the
> American system for companies to lobby and side with those who can
> work for their interests. Is this always ethical? No, but it is not
> intrinsically unethical, either.

It is intrinsically unethical for companies who profit from torture,
death and destruction to lobby for torture, death and destruction.
Or are you such a Satanist that you would even collapse such lobbying
under "capitalist profit" and pencil it into the "good" corner?

> We at Halliburton are proud of our country, our troops, and our
> employees who put themselves in harms way.

Halliburton and the Carlyle Group are the contemporary IG Farben (that
would be the N*zi's main corporate entity). As a loyal employee of
Halliburton, it is clear to me, what that makes you . . . .

> Are we making money in
> Iraq? Certainly we are. It is the purpose of business to make money.
> However, we are also helping the citizens of Iraq build new lives in
> the post-Saddam era. We are helping to rebuild the water systems, and
> the energy infrastructure of the country.

Sure, 20 dollars for the corrupt Halliburton lot, 2 dollars for recon-
struction (of what the Cheney bombs destroyed in the first place!)

Ohh, what a fine lot you are! So helpful, that you would stoop to
a feeding frenzy at the public tax trough to "help" the very poor
bastards that your bombs destroyed! My, you should be given awards for
that! Why not? charge them to the taxpayer, nice big gold metals for
all your brave work in brazenly robbing the taxpayer blind for
murdering and torturing throughout the world!

> Without this, present and
> future Iraqis would not have any access to the vast natural resources
> (primarily petroleum) that Iraq possesses. Without these resources,
> the Iraqi people will either be completely dependent on charity, will
> be forced to move elsewhere, or starve. We would like to give them
> freedom and wealth instead.

You are a liar. You want to steal their wealth and turn it into gold
for yourselves, as well as prepare the country for takeover by Eretz
Israel (you know, of course, the Zionist plan is to take over a great
deal of the Middle East, from the sea to the Jordan river, from the
Euphrates to the Nile - or didn't your masters at Halliburton tell you
that?)

> If you do not like the policies of the US Government, it is your right
> as an American to dissent, and to vote your conscience. However, you

Vote my conscience? What, for Skull-and-Bones Bush or Skull-and-Bones
Kerry? Both are traitors to this country and to humanity.

There is no vote of conscience, the only conscientious thing to do is
not to vote and avoid sending a false signal of legitimacy to the
rigged, controlled, authoritarian system called "democracy" in the US.

> should not hold Halliburton responsible for decisions with which you
> disagree that are made by our government. We are just doing our job
> in Iraq, and I would like to see our troops come home as soon as
> possible, too. At the same time, we must not leave the Iraqi people at
> the mercy of the terrorists that now wish to throw the US out of Iraq.

The biggest terrorists in Iraq are the US soldiers and mercs. If you
want to rid Iraq of terrorists, get your ass out of there!

> We must, as they say, "finish the job", or the Iraqi people will never
> forgive America for leaving them in need.

I would tell you how to do that while packing your bags, but of course
you would not care . . . .

> May God bless America, and may God bless our troops. May there be true
> peace in the world, and may evil reign no more.

And one of the first steps to that is throwing the real terrorists, like
the CEO of Halliburton and the other scum running the US, into Guantanemo
for some extended "interrogation" . . . . As I say,
do onto the perps, as they do onto others . . . .

Posted by: Dre at May 9, 2004 05:09 PM

What?
How come there aren't any more Halliburton employees to tell us what to really think ?

Posted by: tacobilly at May 9, 2004 05:30 PM

For sillyhippies and nuschel: Defending the unpatriot act as necessary because of our open borders and Middle East exchange programs would have some validity if your own president had not allowed several dozen members of the Bin Laden family to escape without being questioned by the FBI only days after 9/11 (which, by the way, would not have happened had the rightfully elected president been sworn in). If ABC didn't read the names and show photos of the dead U.S. soldiers in Afghanistan, call them! Don't whine to patriotic Americans who want to honor, not ignore, their war dead. And you can be sure that if Bush is installed as president in 2005 that America as you have known it is over and done with, and the great liberal experiment (yes, the founders were liberals, by and large) of a democratic republic that cares about all of its citizens will go into the trashcans of history, to be replaced by an oligarchy that will have you wishing Bill Clinton was back in office. The great national nightmare of 8 years of peace and prosperity was ended rather quickly and decisively by the Miserable Failure and his gang of psycopaths, and you're still afraid of Muslims? Why do conservatives hate America? By the way, the Taliban are conservatives...

Posted by: Ronjazz at May 9, 2004 06:00 PM

These are random thoughts -- one paragraph doesn't always related to another, mind you. I tend to ramble.

Not every American is some beef-eating, gun toting, white, Christian, SUV driver... I think about 9/11 and how, in my life time at least (I'm 21), I'll never know how deep that rabbit hole goes. I've read every conspiracy theory you can think of regarding the situation. It amazes me that somewhere out there someone hates me for being an American. They think I'm evil. I'm 21. I live in Ohio. I work very hard for my creature comforts. I enjoy music and I express myself through the band that I am in. I am a member of Anti-Racist Action and Amensty International. I am free of all bigotry in my life. But, I am still evil... somewhere, someone wants to fly a plane into my little apartment because I was born here. Did I choose to be born in Ohio? Or the US? What if the world had no religion. What if we agreed to disagree... No religion is right. It's all a form of control in varying degrees. Ok, so my ideal, theology-free world is cushy, immature, and completely unrealistic... but is it really that bad of an idea? Does anyone perfer another way?

No where is perfect. Societies will always be corrupt because people will only do what is best for themselves in the end, especially if it is through a form of control like government or religion.

I see a lot of complaining on here... Yes, I *feel* Bush is bad. Morally, I *feel* (warning: an opinion coming up here) that Bush was not justified in his actions regarding Iraq. I think a vast majority of us can agree with that to some extent, possibly even more than me. So... instead of ranting incoherently on the internet, what are we doing about these things to change them? If you say nothing can be done to change it, then you might as well stop complaining about it... Someone is always going to control you. Religion is never going to go away. Things can change if people get over themselves...

Posted by: Peanut Gallery at May 9, 2004 06:18 PM

Peanut Gallery....all good thoughts...thanks. You're still young yet and I'm sure you'll figure out your own way eventually. :-)

Posted by: on_a_train at May 9, 2004 06:26 PM

RE: shutting down email....it figures, the truth has already emerged and the gestapo is attempting to do a clean-up spin doctor approach on this ugly evil quagmire. Really, we can't have any more of the TRUTH leak out now can we????

Posted by: Julie at May 9, 2004 06:32 PM

C'mon...

Let's stop pussyfooting around with these "Oil Murderers"!

It is so obvious...so totally obvious...and yet no one seems to have the
courage to voice it.

The REAL reason we invaded Iraq was not because of WMD's... or to oust
the "Evil Dictator"...or to free the Iraqi people!.

On the contrary, the REAL reason the Bush/Chaney/Seven Sisters/Saudi
Royal Family Cabal invaded Iraq was TO KEEP IRAQ'S OIL OFF THE
MARKET!!

Think about it.

Iraq is sitting on an oil reserve pool much larger than Saudi Arabia's.

Its Evil Dictator had complied with all of the U.N. Gulf War sanctions.

He was getting ready to appeal to the U.N. to have those sanctions lifted
completely.

He was talking to The Russians and the Germans about developing his oil
extraction capabilities.

If that ever happened and he was able to market his full oil potential outside
the control of OPEC, the price of crude would plunge...and gas would drop to
50c a gallon here in the U.S.

The Bush/Chaney/SevenSisters/Royal Family Cabal could not stand for that to
happen!

So Iraq's development and extraction plans were destroyed forever...and
chaos reigns and will reign...until the Saudi oil fields are fully depleted and the
Cabal's profits are maxed out.

And what follows naturally is a rather disgusting and shocking conspiracy
theory that actually makes total sense::

9/11 was staged by the Cabal to, among other Bush/Chaney/& Co. agendas,
set the stage for an invasion of Iraq.

The Bush Family's ties to the Saudi Arabian Royal Family has already been
documented by Bob Woodward!

Sixteen of the nineteen terrorists involved in 9/11 were Saudi Arabians!

The Bin Laden family is tied to the Saudi Royal Family.

Their wealth depends upon the Royal Family's wealth and power.

Osama Bin Laden depends upon his family trusts for his income to finance his
"terrorist" activities.

Isn't it strange, almost unbelievable, that Osama Bin Laden is still at large?!

Maybe...just maybe...Osama is a "ringer"!!

Watch as the chaos and the confusion and the violence and the sabotage in
Iraq continues and continues... ad infinitum.

And Iraq's oil stays off the market!

And our gasoline prices here at home reach new record heights each day that
goes by...while the killing of American G.I.'s and Iraqi Civilians continues...

...thanks to the "Oil Murderers!"

MAD-ly yours,
Al Feldstein
Retired Editor of MAD Magazine.
http://www.alfeldstein.com


3882 U.S. Hwy 89 So.
Livingston, MT 59047
406 222 0601

PLEASE FORWARD TO EVERYONE IN YOUR ADDRESS BOOK. LET'S WAKE UP AMERICA...BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!!

Posted by: Al Feldstein at May 9, 2004 06:33 PM

Peanut Gallery:
the thread of this page is about the Department of Defense trying to keep more of these torture photos from getting out by keeping the soldiers from getting easy access to the internet. Most of the incoherent ranting has come from actual Halliburton employees: the people being accused of denying these soldiers access through their service division Kellog Brown and Root. The truth is that everyone on earth has seen these photos, some of which are horrific. The secretary of Defense said in testimony to the Senate yesterday that the problem was digital cameras and it would be better if no one had seen the pictures. These pictures depict serious war crimes and are intollerable to everyone on earth. They are trying to keep more of this information from comming out by denying the soldiers a voice. They are trying to keep the American people from finding out the truth. this has nothing to do with religion or complaining or any of that. This has to do with dealing with a serious problem and facing the fact that we have no choice but to face these war crimes head on . And we have actually got the government dealing with this very serious issue by talking about in places just like this.

Posted by: Steve Zeitz at May 9, 2004 06:40 PM

Nice post Al
thanks for all the hysterical magazines

Posted by: Steve Zeitz at May 9, 2004 06:44 PM

To Peanut Gallery:

Some comments on your, I'm so sorry to say it, totally washed brains. Nobody hates you for what you are, but for the brainless support you give to those monsters that get their orders some guys over here are in the know where from. Russians have the following proverb: "One doesn't have his rules with him when entering another monastery". Try to think about it, you, a member of those gestapo-like organizations. The mere fact you're not aware of their being gestapo-like doesn't justify your ignorance and blindness. Once again, excuse my being rude.

Posted by: Stranger at May 9, 2004 06:49 PM

Peanut Gallery and Stranger....you both made useful comments, although your English grammar needs some practise, Stranger. Yes, PG, it has been going on seemingly forever....watch the movie, The Quiet American (released in 2002 and now on DVD/VHS), about how the U.S. tried to forcefully control the direction of Vietnam in the early 1950s (actually, this was a "partner theme" to the movie's other theme of struggling romance). That is only one example. How to change it? I still don't know. Change moves so slowly in the U.S.....it's a big ship and it's not easy to change that ship's direction, especially when there is heavy politics involved on the top deck about setting the ship's course. Most of us are only lowly passengers who bought a ticket.

What would have happened had crew of the Titanic not been so egoistic about their ship's maiden voyage, and had therefore not pressed the ship to break a world record for crossing the Atlantic Ocean? I sincerely think that everyone would have made it safely to New York.

My take on it is to put ego aside - live and let live. That way we'll all get to our destinations safely. And the human species might just continue to live for a few more millenia....or more.

Posted by: on_a_train at May 9, 2004 07:23 PM

Hi over there
Here it's night but I'm too upset to go to sleep. I'm living in a small country - for a long time America seemed to be a guarantee for our security. Well with Reagan the first doubts came into my heart - but still I thought there's a mostly good America behind theese ugly guys. They sold weapons to Iran reinvested the money in Nicaragua and after all Olly North didn't remember anything. Bush Ist Desert Storm - ok America is fighting against the evil. Mentally I stood behind the good and the brave. Clinton - Slick Willy??? ;) a nice smart guy - USA very concentrated if he lied by deniing his sexual adventures with a girl (why that girl???).
Well then Bush II "the real christian" came out of prison- and electrical chair-state Texas. What a mess... the "new wind in the white house" smelt even more after lie and ideology.
9.11 the second try of the terrorists succeedet. First some rumors 9.11 was also Chile... but then the enemy was identified. War against Afghanistan - well it seemed not so good to me, but there were real links - never been showed really - but quite clear. Then Iraq - lie after lie after lie I'm really sorry but a democracy can't be stronger than the people which vote - and it seems they are more interested in Baseball, American Football, SUV's and sixpacks.
I started to read the history of the Irak, Middle East, S.Hussein , Uday - and YOURS
I was looking for the moment USA lost its innocence - well actually I'm at Lincoln - it was before.
Well I'm still upset - I assure you - the internet to your soldiers will be ok soon again - I know your gouverment, theire just in panic now.
Whatever happens in Iraq - next 4th of July you'll be all on the streets to honour all the heroes of your good wars and bad wars - I know you.

Cutting down the internet is CENSORSHIP the tool of failed goverments.

Greeting from (near) Geneva, Richard

Posted by: AnotherStranger at May 9, 2004 07:37 PM

Well, Haliburton may not "be" the Bush adminstration, but they do work for the Bush administration at some level. I think it's probable that the orders to silence email came from their customer.

And, venting here won't change anything. Whatever your stance is let the administration know. I intend to since, in the past, mail from armed forces (mostly) been censored to eliminate secretive stuff, like positions. While the whitehouse.gov site seem to have hidden the email addresses for the President and Vice President, I sent emails to president@whitehouse.gove and vicepresident@whitehouse.gov when the news broke about the abuses in Iraq. I think a lot people did so since the admiistration sort of took responsibility the next day. Since Bush is trying to be reelected, he's going to be a bit more responsive than in the past.

But I would caution you to be respectful in you message. If they get any rants they won't give your opinion any credence. Pretend that you're in Marketing. Though, you could tell them that this has decided you that you won't vote for Bush in the upcoming election.

Posted by: path at May 9, 2004 08:13 PM

Haliburton may not "be" the government, but they take orders from their customer.

Talking about this issue here may ease your stress, but I don't think it registers with the Bush administration. If you want to tell them how you feel, you can email Bush at president@whitehouse.gov and Cheney at vicepresident@whitehouse.gov. And, let them know how you'll vote if they do or don't change their policy. Since there's an election coming up, it's be important for them to know what the national opinion is. The more individual messages they get, the more effectively your voice will be heard.

And, since I don't know this site well, I'll dare to say, don't send them rants. Pretend as though you're in Marketing and sell them on your opinion.

Posted by: path at May 9, 2004 08:39 PM

The story I gather is about emails being stopped for 90 days. Then I read some more and found out that it is the communication that is piggy backed out side the official lines which was cut off. With access at $6 per hour I can see why those who were not paying were cut off. Censorship is one thing, but if money is at stake then rights and freedoms will be quickly dispensed with. That is the thing; people say that they are in Iraq to give democracy and freedom, but if those things stop profit then they are quickly stopped. As long as freedom and democracy makes money then they are upheld, but really its money and profit which drive the humanitarian aid. Freedom is not free and democracy is not cheap. A price in money has to be paid to exercise freedom and choice; blood has to be spilled (cost of bombs, bullets ect)to give democracy. As long as these principals make money, and profit is the bottom line, the U.S will remain interested. Take those things away and they will quickly withdraw, to seek out other ventures because they are the land of the free(consumers)and the home of the brave(entrepreneurs).

Posted by: Matrix at May 9, 2004 08:47 PM

Cutting off lines of those wo where not paying for 90days ???? Sorry folks this sounds more like a "prawda" explination for me...

Posted by: Another Stranger at May 9, 2004 09:12 PM

These email cut-offs were instigated because of the torture photos all over the net. Those other explanations are just bullsh*t. The Secretary of Defense said in sworn testimony yesterday to the Senate commitee that the real problem wasn't so much the cases of abuse and torture as it was a problem of people snapping photos with those pesky digital cameras! Now there are reports comming in that this abuse is everywhere in Iraq. The Bushies are trying to blackout any more embarassing pictures comming out.

Posted by: Steve Zeitz at May 9, 2004 09:23 PM

AnotherStranger...a few thoughts in reply.
The current state of the world is all so sad and absolutely no one seems to know what ought to be done to improve matters. I'm not sure that there is much that can be done to improve it right now. The right-left-centrist-fundamentalist-anarchist-hegemonist-etcerans sure as hell don't. Neither do I. I'm not even sure that I have more than a glimmer of understanding as to some objective truth of current events.

For so long America has comforted itself that it held the 'high moral ground' vis a vis the 'Islamist hordes of fundamentalist madness'. After 9/11 we really believed that we owed it to the world to stop the madmen who would order the flying of planes into buildings, or the homicidal bombers of buses and trains. We even foolishly sacrificed some of our more cumbersome basic Constitutional rights in order to protect the 'Homeland' as we gathered the good will of a sympathetic world who did not want to live under the heel of the Talibanistas...or at least that is the story we told/sold ourselves.

The rumors have persisted for a long time that we were no better than the evil ones we battled; but not until the military itelligence war-porn pictures came out was everyone forced to really believe it. Obviously our self-proclaimed ethical footing has slipped...when the Sec of Defense blames the 'danged camera' for the problem...it simply proves our social fabric is shredded.

The best possible solution to this scandal is in the voting booth come November...if we can get there in some semblance of democratic order.

I can only hope that the upcoming election will not be as tainted as the last one was. However, I also have my doubts as to the dependability of our electoral process, what with the paperless/untraceable electronic sytems being pushed down our throats. Florida is a goner. At least in California, for the time being, Diebold will not be in charge. Some folks say they want to leave if the Bushes go on growing unchecked...

As for staying in this country, does anyone really believe that dissenters to the current administration will be welcome somewhere else? America is like the loud and rich, very dirty neighbor that moves in, sets up an filthy old car on blocks in the front yard, never cooperates with anyone, refuses to mow lawn or properly recycle his garbage, etc. Finally, it comes out that the neighbor is also a brutal bully, a sexual sadist and probably worse. Such a neighbor is usually presented with demands to clean up their act and at the very least - TRIM THE BUSHES!

We dissenters have got to haul out our political clippers and get to work. The world simply wants us to clean up our own house.

Thanks for the rant Al. A bit hyperbolic. Perhaps you remember the Walt Kelly strip where Pogo remarked that 'we have met the enemy, and he is us!'

Posted by: JustinOtherBushwhackdCitizen at May 9, 2004 09:43 PM

You guys it is about no more digital photos coming out of Iraq before the election. The administration is more upset about the truth coming out than about people getting tortured and killed.

Posted by: Right On at May 9, 2004 09:54 PM

Get used to restrictions on email, restrictions on speech, restrictions on freedom.

But also get used to the fact that anybody in Iraq is probably going to stay in Iraq, until such time as Bush leaves office, or the draft is reenstated. Sources on the draft boards (re-esablished in November of 2003) tell us that Bush's admin is planning on unleashing the draft in January of 2005... provided he's re-elected, of course.

And yes, you can see waves of it hitting the news already, although of course they're not being completely honest. Check out my URL to read a Toronto Star report about proposed legislation for drafting women as well as men, and extending the draft age to 34.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1083535813785&call_pageid=968332188854&col=968350060724

We might want to ask why exactly this legislation is proposed, if indeed the Bush admin has no intention of drafting soldiers any time in the near future. Hm, Bush?

We might also want to ask that if they do not have any intent to draft, why are they preventing soldiers from coming home, extending their tours of duty? A source at the Pentagon tells us that over 60 percent of soldiers who came home at Christmas either went AWOL or announced their intention to leave the military as soon as possible. Now that number is probably higher, due to the recent waves of violence. It's unlikely if not impossible for us to sustain our involvement in Iraq if 60% of our military quits.

That's why we're going to be drafting.

I for one am predicting an incredible increase in the number of draftees who suddenly announce they're gay. ;)

Posted by: The Draft Debunker at May 9, 2004 10:48 PM

I read someone who said:

Actually, I believe the Bush admin is a subsidiary of Halliburton(and all it's other corporate masters).

Posted by: Ron Russell at May 9, 2004 11:15 PM

Democracy is supposed to be based on allowing the people to govern themselves and decide their own lives. One of those decisions is the type of government to live under, even if the decision will end democracy. It goes against these principles to force democracy onto a nation of people.

Posted by: coldwyn at May 9, 2004 11:17 PM

We will assimilate you.

Posted by: Halliburton at May 9, 2004 11:22 PM

I hate Bush.
No, I hate Bush.
I hate Bush more.
Yeah, well, I can make snide comments tying Bush to Cheney to Halliburton.
Ha. I can get to the left of that and call you imperialist.
Whatever dude, I hate Bush.
No, I hate Bush.

Posted by: Karol at May 9, 2004 11:34 PM

Speaking as a Marine contractor liaison at one of the largest bases in Iraq, if KBR / Halliburton find one more thing they *can't* do under their contract then I will personally use them for fire/manoeuvre practise. Thank God our local Iraqis like us and have a few engineers in the crowd or we would be all kinds of screwed. We are so terribly short-staffed by the DoD's T/O that we don't have enough people to support ourselves without contractor help, and now the damned contractors can't deliver our FOOD reliably let alone fuel, parts, etc without our sending a "rodeo team" to convince the truckers to keep driving... or to rescue the broken-down trucks because KBR doesn't pay the drivers enough to keep them fixed.

Personally I think the DoD was wrong to eliminate chow and tent-repair jobs for Marines, this reliance on civilians is bullsh*t and it's going to get a lot of us killed. Thanks Cheney.

Posted by: SomeLibertarianMarine at May 9, 2004 11:37 PM

I have a daughter in the sunni triangle. she's
asked me for food, due to supply convoy ambushes, cutting the food supplies. Also, small brushes
larger then a toothbrush, to clean her weapon...
because "all they have are toothbrushes" to clean
the sand out of crevices in their guns~! Now, she
wants a 'helmet cover'. her old one is eaten up by the weather/atmosphere. I've sent all this stuff and more, because I worry about her safety and comfort.
Halliburton, being a corporation is only worried about their bottom line, "PROFIT". they take US dollars and slave labor from third world countries brought in, in exchange for crude substandard workmanship and not providing supplies that have been paid for by taxpayer dollars.
She said that the wiring in ficilities are so bad, everyone gets shocked, almost electricuted whenever they need to use power. Electrical jobs were installed by unprofessional laborers. Much put in wrong/backwards.
What the hell is going on over there? This cheap
lowdown regime of ours, stuffing their pockets, WHILE SHORTCHANGING OUR TROOPS.
Heard oil is now 40 bucks a barrel, last time it sold for that price was when bush one was in office~! GO FIGURE~!

Posted by: janutb at May 9, 2004 11:47 PM

I have a daughter in the sunni triangle. she's
asked me for food, due to supply convoy ambushes, cutting the food supplies. Also, small brushes
larger then a toothbrush, to clean her weapon...
because "all they have are toothbrushes" to clean
the sand out of crevices in their guns~! Now, she
wants a 'helmet cover'. her old one is eaten up by the weather/atmosphere. I've sent all this stuff and more, because I worry about her safety and comfort.
Halliburton, being a corporation is only worried about their bottom line, "PROFIT". they take US dollars and slave labor from third world countries brought in, in exchange for crude substandard workmanship and not providing supplies that have been paid for by taxpayer dollars.
She said that the wiring in ficilities are so bad, everyone gets shocked, almost electricuted whenever they need to use power. Electrical jobs were installed by unprofessional laborers. Much put in wrong/backwards.
What is going on over there? This cheap
lowdown regime of ours, stuffing their pockets, WHILE SHORTCHANGING OUR TROOPS.
Heard oil is now 40 bucks a barrel, last time it sold for that price was when bush one was in office~! GO FIGURE~!

Posted by: Janet at May 9, 2004 11:50 PM

Stop Spamming Janet...

Sheesh...

M

Posted by: Matt at May 10, 2004 12:41 AM

I linked my blog to your blog tonight so my readers could learn about this email controversy. Sara

Posted by: Sara Nichols at May 10, 2004 01:44 AM

If you would like to enloghten yourselves even more, you can go to LetsRoll911.org and view the reason for all the secrecy from this administration. The footage of the planes hitting the World Trade Centers, when slowed down shows they were missile attacks, in unerasable terms. The film is not doctored. It is unbelievable but right there plain as day. It's the same footage that is on your 911DVD at home right now. Secrecy and torture are just the tip of the iceberg.

Posted by: puppiest at May 10, 2004 01:45 AM

"Truth is only the ememy of error."
- Ben Franklin

Posted by: CG at May 10, 2004 01:52 AM


I am against the draft because everytime someone leaves a door open I catcha bigga cold.So guys if ya donna want da draft closa all the doors and windows aand put down the blinds cause the germs are gonna sneak in and give ya whati got

Posted by: sniffles at May 10, 2004 02:36 AM


I am against the draft because everytime someone leaves a door open I catcha bigga cold.So guys if ya donna want da draft closa all the doors and windows aand put down the blinds cause the germs are gonna sneak in and give ya whati got

Posted by: sniffles at May 10, 2004 02:36 AM

Anybody here remember Milo Minderbinder in that great Heller book, "Catch-22"?. He was the guy who took all the parashoots out of the planes and sold the silk on the black market, and put "shares" in the place of the Morphine packets. I think that must be one of Cheney's main study books, 'cause he sure as hell didn't learn how to fleece the gold outa our pockets in the ARMY now did he? You men and women over there in Iraq, the US troops, listen up. I am a vet, from the times when Tricky Dick was jumping through hoops for Kissinger, and folks like you were getting wasted by the thousands. Not much has changed. Sure we have E-mail now, but back then we had snail mail, and huge regular anti-war demonstrations, which I for one participated in even while I was still in the service. I was not drafted either. I believed in serving my country, it runs in my family, we have been in every major war since the War for National Independence. The US Military has been Hi-Jacked by a crime syndicate. Get that. They reward hit men. If you are hit men, and hit women, and serial killers, and mass murderers, and torturers, and so on, then just disregard this, because you are not patriots anyway, just criminals. But if you love your country, it is time to take a deep breath, and think about where your loyalty lies. Is it just to the grunt on your left and right hand? Or is it to the constitution you and I swore to uphold against all enemies, DOMESTIC, and Foreign? So start to think, you Non-coms, and Officers, why did Rummy delete your e-mail priveleges, but more importantly, why did he fire most of the top Officers who had combat experience? Why did the Bushies push through a pay cut for you all when you were still invading Iraq? Why have your supplies been so hard to get, and why are your troop strengths so low that you cant protect your own supply lines? In short, why have you all been set up for disaster? Why are you being forced to breath Depleated Uranium that will destroy your lungs and kidneys, and cause birth defects in your children? Do you think Bush is going to spend any time around that deadly stuff? Let me clue you, no army has been in charge of such a madman since the Romans were under the command of Caligula. You officers should read some history here. Find out how Claudius became Emperor with the help of the Pretorian Guard. Hint, hint.
Wake up soldiers, there is work to do back home. Read the last chapters of the Lord of the Ring. Find out what was left out of the movie version. Find out how Wormtounge, (Rush?) got flushed out of the Shire. It is getting hot over there now, in more ways than one, but we need you back here in the US. I want to see you all come home alive. Iraq is not your first duty. American Freedom is at stake here at home, and the big money boys at the international banks have decided to take us all down. Anyone who tells you otherwise is lying to you. You have been in Iraq long enough now to know the score. Look around you at the waste that is made of all that was decent in that country. Then look at where your masters have put you. Ask yourself why, if they really wanted to win the hearts and minds of Iraqis, they did not just tear down Abu Graib Prison? Ask them why they built their headquaters in the old palaces of Saddam, which also should have just been demolished. And why did they bomb every Iraqi govt. building except the oil ministry? Who set the fire that destroyed all the records of Iraq Govt. and land title for the past thousand years? Have you wondered who got their get up out the 9-11 events? Do you know that you are fighting and dying just for OIL, but that your enemy is fighting and dying for his home, his land, his country, and his family? Oh yeah I know you fight to keep faith with the man or woman at your side. Deep down though, it is the gut war that will decide the outcome. And OIL is not in your guts is it? We need you here at home. This place needs to be policed up. I want to see nothing but elbows and so on. Figure out a way to save this country of ours from the despots who want to sell her down the river. Do any of you know that Ms. Liberty in New York is off limits to Americans, by order of the Bushies?
Iraq is not your first order of business. The big banks, and the the money boys, big oil, and the weapons industry have bought both the Democrats and the Repubicans, and there is no choice in the elections, but Evil twin one or Evil twin two. There is no one in the political end of the game who can do anything to stop the loss of our Republic. You are being used as Storm Troopers. You are now on the Desert Planet.
Do you read me? Luke, use the force, Luke. Stop the Death Star now before it is too late. Take out Darth. It is the only way now.

Posted by: JIMBRO at May 10, 2004 03:30 AM

Well hot diggydidang.Ya know you fightin folks in Iraq are a pretty effective bunch.Onlyya need the old voice of experience to guide you trough those dang motor rounds and those ak57 bullets ya gotta dodge em and come home safe cause it aint slick to die for oil.Never you mind that Bush is gettin his palms greased.And that Kellog is brown nosing the govermint to turn yung ones like you into cereal killers.I been in the saddle long enough to know that no politician should have the right to horse around with your lives.No stable minded person should ever do that dang it.I get all riled up to see that those politicians in Washington have circled there wagons and there just plain beatin around mister bush tryng to put out fires he lit and that rice lady she,s cookin and steamin cause those darn senotarial comitees are gonna twist her arms until she says uncle Ben.Anyway I hope you can all go home soon and leave Iraq alone.That whole place is just a pipeline to disaster.I believe your all refined enough to understand that
Custard your friend

Posted by: General Custard at May 10, 2004 05:42 AM

>>I have a daughter in the sunni triangle.>she's asked me for food,>due to supply convoy ambushes, cutting the food supplies.>Also, small brushes larger then a toothbrush, to clean her weapon... because "all they have are toothbrushes" to clean the sand out of crevices in their guns~!>Now, she wants a 'helmet cover'. her old one is eaten up by the weather/atmosphere.>I've sent all this stuff and more, because I worry about her safety and comfort.>Halliburton, being a corporation is only worried about their bottom line, "PROFIT". they take US dollars and slave labor from third world countries brought in, in exchange for crude substandard workmanship and not providing supplies that have been paid for by taxpayer dollars.
She said that the wiring in ficilities are so bad, everyone gets shocked, almost electricuted whenever they need to use power. Electrical jobs were installed by unprofessional laborers. Much put in wrong/backwards.
What is going on over there? This cheap
lowdown regime of ours, stuffing their pockets, WHILE SHORTCHANGING OUR TROOPS.
Heard oil is now 40 bucks a barrel, last time it sold for that price was when bush one was in office~! GO FIGURE~!

Posted by: Sgt. Hal at May 10, 2004 05:48 AM

Dear America
I'm a bit sorry about what I wrote late in this night (it was abaut 2 in the morning). I wrote "I know you" - well I know you because it's not that different over here... it's hard to change old habits.
"Jimbro" told the soldiers it's their duty to act... sorry - but I think you never have been in an army if you're there you have to run and wait as others decide... It's a hard decision to say "No" - and the consequencies for you and others can be deadly.
Im our military training the "Geneva Conventions" where quite important - I was in the medical staff. Thi're even printed in a short version on the identity card. So we where asking our "teachers" under which circumstances we can refuse orders... we got never a clear answer. An army where orders are disussed will not work...
On the other hand in the tribunal of Nurnberg after WW2 it was not accepted when a soldier told "I was just following orders..."
You are 280'000'000 americans - maybe there are 500'000 soldiers - it's really not their duty to act.
At least my anger about US-americans is calmed a bit, because I feel the same unease at you as I'm feeling here.
Here not just oil prices are rising but the prices for refined fuel are rising even more - because US-stores are low and are filled with refined fuel from Europe...

Posted by: AnotherStranger at May 10, 2004 06:51 AM

"The biggest terrorists in Iraq are the US soldiers and mercs. If you
want to rid Iraq of terrorists, get your ass out of there!"

I dont rightly recall flying a plane into anyone's building. I cant, for the life of me, remember the last time I killed 4000 civilians because their God was diffrent from my God.

We are here, giving our lives trying to bring stability to this country and you have the audacity to call us terrorists? Until you've gotten your nose out of CNN and conspiracy.com and spent time here, I dont think you are really qualified to give your opinion.

freedom of speech and all that, yeah fine. It's your right. It's also my right to suggest that you might be out of your damn mind. I am here, I see the good we are trying to do. you just see the crap they put on cnn to...guess what....make money.

something you may not realize: The US Army is not in the business of taking lives, we are in the business of saving them.

Posted by: Ryan at May 10, 2004 07:45 AM

USMC (You Signed The Mother Fuc%ing Contract)

Posted by: night ranger at May 10, 2004 08:01 AM

www.infowars.com says it all

Posted by: stump at May 10, 2004 09:11 AM

The US Army is not in the business of taking lives, we are in the business of saving them.
YEAH RIGHT!
So That's why you get to learn how to kill people in the Army so you can save lives. I was going to do die from natural causes so imagine how lucky I felt when all those extra guns turned up with.

Posted by: Jackson at May 10, 2004 09:23 AM

Ryan:"I dont rightly recall flying a plane into anyone's building. I cant, for the life of me, remember the last time I killed 4000 civilians because their God was diffrent from my God."

But all the world can rightly recall a lot of death by USA army (or their proxies) - millions of them only from 1945 when no one invide or threatened to invide USA.

And even if it was Bin Laden behind 3000 - not 4000 - civilians death on 11/9, it was not Iraq, so what you are doing in Iraq, saving lives? Where, in some torture center?

And Bin Laden said a lot of times why he was against USA - not because "his God was diffrent from your God" - he has not have much against Sweden, for instance - but because of occupied Palestina, anti-Iraq sunctions and army bases in SA - for all that he was blaiming USA - and not without some reason.

So if you cannot give any other answer, you'd better not to provoce laugh here - not everyone has Fox as a sole source of info.

Posted by: lidiavolgina at May 10, 2004 10:20 AM

http://www.gnosticliberationfront.org/anatomy_of_a_one_world_religion_noahide_laws.htm

check out this web site in particular if the zionists get to be the one world religion of choice ..all our freedoms ...most of our lifes,
and any one who has ever had an abortion is toast ....now i understand why rumsfield ( who is not much of a humanitarian and likes torture )wanted all the hospital records of any women who have ever had abortions one million marched on washington dc and prevented this man from having their records ...imagin the private punishment a sick man like this would bring to american women who opped out for a choice

Posted by: sandy at May 10, 2004 10:44 AM

Saturday Night Live will have 4 more years of material to make crappy skits about! Posted by: Steve

Steve, have you ever heard the phrase "follow the money"? Anyway, you're right about the skits on SNL. If they were really good, they'd show bush kissing cheney's ass, not rumsfeld's mouth!

Posted by: Streaker at May 10, 2004 11:03 AM

Greetings all.

I doubt many will see this at the botttom of such a long page, but I figured my two cents were worth just as much as anybody else's. I see everyone posturing one way or another with this war, screaming back and forth from the sides of the same coin, repeating the slogans, mantras, catch-phrases and soundbytes of the Parties, and passing the buck to blame someone for this mess. But this mess is not the fault of Bush, Cheney, Haliburton, Saddam, Osama, or Blair. It is US. The Iraq War is another operation in the yet-to-be-official global energy war wherein the United States makes an attempt to secure the world's remaining oil to cushion itself from the impending crash awaiting our fall from Hubbert's Peak. It is our own inanity that sees us to the pump every day without bothering to look for another way. Ethanol? Hydrogen? Vegetable Oil? Or the same ol' petrol your grandfather put into his auto? Wake up, folks. It's not just the US Government driving us to war, because we're the one still filling the tank.

Posted by: Trent Dillman at May 10, 2004 11:31 AM

You are alone. You are a dying people. You should be prepared to pass.

Posted by: Kosh at May 10, 2004 11:48 AM

I just check with a friend in Iraq - stationed in baghdad. Got a reply in 60 seconds "No truth to the rumor whatsoever". So cool the rhetoric y'all. This doesn't mean I approve of our Government's handling of the mess over there, but let's stick to truth on our part.

BTW, Trent has a point.

Love y'all
Larry

Posted by: Larry Hansen at May 10, 2004 12:11 PM

I just check with a friend in Iraq - stationed in baghdad. Got a reply in 60 seconds "No truth to the rumor whatsoever". So cool the rhetoric y'all. This doesn't mean I approve of our Government's handling of the mess over there, but let's stick to truth on our part.

BTW, Trent has a point.

Love y'all
Larry

Posted by: Larry Hansen at May 10, 2004 12:11 PM

Bush does not care, because 911 and war in Iraq are all based on lies... Please visit letsroll911.org to learn more...

This site shows plenty videos taken from CNN NBC and CBS major media that show a missile pod like device underneath the plane that hit the tower.... When the film is slow down, it is very clear...

This site has ignited a 911 conspiracy nuclear bomb....

best wishes

Mel
Love is gentle and sublime

Posted by: MMM at May 10, 2004 01:14 PM

I am in Iraq, and although at a the largest base in Baghdad, I believe that all of the basic needs have been provided. You need to understand before you point the finger at the contractor, you need to realize who that contractor works DIRECTLY for. That's right, the branch of service that has contracted their services. Just because you can't get skittles or send "recreational" emails, that's no reason to be up in arms. Use a MARS GRAM or write a letter. Eat your MRE, which sometimes comes with skittles and STFU.

V/R
Civilian

Posted by: Civilian at May 10, 2004 01:48 PM

It's going to get much worse, before (and even IF) it gets better...too many people are still of the opinion that America's ideals are the ideals of "Superman"-truth, justice, and the American way...when in reality it all comes down to 2 things, (which, BTW, only exist because we agree to them)...Power and Money.
This administration will be remembered as the one that completely pushed the boundaries, trampled the fence, and woke up all the sheep...after that, it'll be mob rule. Better that than this.

Posted by: Patriot Not Acting at May 10, 2004 02:11 PM

CENSORSHIP!

Taking away First Amendment Rights. Why? Because the TRUTH will set our troops free. And the NeoCon War mongers want to bleed every dollar possible out of this conflict, regardless of death and destruction. Bush has to pay off his buddies. Cheney has to play Master of the Universe. Rumsfeld has to busy himself to forget the millions of lives he destroys with Aspartane. Ashcroft has to see how much of the constitution he can destroy. A DEN OF VIPERS.

Posted by: Tally Eddings at May 10, 2004 03:05 PM

Bush and Rummy
Sittin' in a tree
W-A-R-R-I-N-G
First comes blood
Then disparage
Then Martial Law in an Orwellian marriage

Support the Mariani vs. Bush RICO Act lawsuit, it is the only way to justice.

http://www.911forthetruth.com

Pawn X

Posted by: Pawn X at May 10, 2004 04:33 PM

MAIL VAULT

Soldiers can use MailVault.com for web-based
secure email from any computer on the planet.
No more spying sysadmins, Echelon intercepts.
Family back home can use any form of OpenPGP
compatible software like gnupg.org or just
use MailVault themselves.

Posted by: Pettru at May 10, 2004 05:11 PM

Patriot Act - 9/11 - The War On Terror - Halliburton - US Global Supremecy

Why are we fighting the war on terror, supposedly? First - we're not. Even today, the FBI doesn't persue terrorists - only if the can assuredly get a conviction; ie : the stolen tanker truck in New Jersey was spotted and reported to the FBI, who was worried terrorists stole it. The gave the lady a run around and never took care of the report - she has since gone to the media.

Someone here was concerned that there are many middle eastern exchange students at our university - and yes, in the engineering depts. especially. I can tell you with experience that there are terror cells on almost every single campus in this country - mostly hizbullah and the like and mostly they are there to gain skills for use in their cause, use it as cover for surveillance operations and to lie in wait, in case they are directed to take action. There have been many arrests but few prosecutions since the 1980's when I was involved with these cases. Look at Sami Al Arian - the fbi dragged it feet for over a DECADE and moved on him only after he was becoming a politcal disgrace. Ramadan Shallah, his associate was involved in armed conflict with ATF in Tampa, with several of HIS associates. What did we do? We deported him. He has since become head of Islamic Jihad in Lebanon and directed the bus bombing in Hadera, Israel a couple of years ago. We HAD him, folks. We just didn't want to DEAL with him. And the list is seemingly endless. This government doesn't care about terrorism - in fact allowing it to occur enables the gov't to gain power and funding as well as passing Nazi-like Laws such as the Patriot Act I and II (Victory Act).
Yet, we allow masses of potential terrorists to come here and learn, allow thousands of people over the Mexican border every day but not be concerned. There are even coyotes (people smugglers) who specialize in bringing arabs and iranians into the US illegally. Our government isn't concerned about them or THEIR identity, but you, dear citizen are being entered and classified in massive database systems, conglomerated into a super system called MATRICS.
Your rights are gone, the constitution is essentially gone and the only reason you're not imprisoned or killed so far is that the government needs you to be productive and they don't have the logistics to 'get' millions of people - yet.
We need the Patriot Act because of 9/11, right? And the Afghan and Iraqi Wars? I don't know about terrorists coming from these places, though maybe now they will. The DO come from Pakistan, to a great extand, and they certainly are coming in from Mexico. The Iraqi borders are secure - yet ours are not. We claim these wars are against terrorism, yet we see the entire current activity laid out in Zbignew Brezinski's book, The Grand Chessboard, published in 1997, I think. The same wars we're engaged in now. Know the reason HE says we're there? (or why we SHOULD be there...) - to ensure that we are in control of middle eastern and central asian oil reserves - for long term US GLOBAL SUPREMECY. I won't argue that we shouldn't strive for that, but this government is so sneaky and underhanded in their actions, and corrupt too - Halliburton, KB&R and their subsidiaries, all closely linked with this administration's members personally.
Which brings us to another point...why would we back a war (the American people)? Our government has, in the past, as does Brezinski, that we need a "Pearl Harbor-like event" to propel public opinion to grant the presidency the power to engage in this end-game war. With LITERALLY about 100 SEVERE inconsistancies, including proven lies and deception, versus solid eyewitness accounts of the attacks, one wonders what really happened on that fateful day. WE certainly haven't been told ANYTHING CLOSE to what transpired. Go check out any websites addressing the 9/11 attacks - letsroll911.org, propagandamatrix.com, 911truth.org, and on and on. And before you say, oh, they're "conspiracy theory websites" - don't look at the theories- look and the FACTS and come to your own conclusions - but don't look for FACTS from themainstream media. Over 90% of all major media in this country are owned by 6 major conglomerates, all of whom are tied to the military industrial complex and make profits from war.
So now we're in the wars, our troops are dying, with credible testimony pointing out MANY more deaths than officially reported, so we have to support our troops. A few points here. First of all - we're shooting Depleted Uranium everywhere and out troops are inhaling the dust deep into their lungs. We are going to see delayed mortality in very high figures years down the road, but it will take 20 years or so for the government to acknowledge wrongdoing - just like Agent Orange. In Afghanistan, there is WIDESPREAD contamination and exposure to NON-DEPLETED Uranium - studies by the Uranium Medical Research Centre up in Canada (physicians). It's evident in urine samples and assuredly in various organs. Americans are exposed as is the local population. There's only one way this amount on non-DU would reach the proportions it has. NUCLEAR warheads on the bunker busting bombs we dropped. This is not admitted, though, of course. Whenever a country goes to war, it tries out it's newer weapons. It seems we've tried out micro nukes.
So as the troops die, we're going to need replacements. Where are they going to come from, people? From your sons and daughters, nieces, nephews and maybe YOU. There is a proposal, now to raise the draft age to 34 and include both men and women. There are several actual pieces of legislation, yet to come before a vote, proposing implementation of the draft. If you doubt we'll really need the draft to meet our needs, here's a couple of pieces of news...
The US ARMY has requested, due to urgent need, 5 HOWITZERS used to prematurely trigger landslides (for safety purposes), be returned from Western US ski resorts. Think about that. And from a personal story, I was about to hir a friend of mine, who was a grunt (infantry) in the NJ Guard, and he was just called up - they're retraining him to be a combat (field) medic. Why are they short on medics? All of this indicates that the draft is coming - and soon - but not before the election, I'm sure. So keep these things in mind, next time you hear a news story that peaks your interest. Does the American people gain from these events? Do the 'terrorists'? Do these other nations we're going to invade? (Syria is about to get hit with sanctions, so the countdown has begun for the next invasion...) NOPE - The powers that be who hold the consolidated wealth do however - BIG TIME. Just something to keep in mind. Let's hope NONE of these things either transpire or continue.

Posted by: Avraham at May 10, 2004 05:28 PM

911 was done by your own people unto your own people.

everyone could see if they only looked - the truth really is out there/here.

the last 3 generations of bush have been historically worse than the last.

how you can let some slime that already proved their worth in trickydickie's reign come within a 1000 miles of government ever again is beyond me - you deserve what you get for not making that particular amendment.

the slime have even got to people like c powell so the average soldier is history - with rice its the average non-wasp is doomed - stikes me they were shown something that made them have a fundamental change to zero ethics (over and above the premise that they don't care about the world their own children inherit so why should they care about you/yours)

Posted by: eenglish peeg at May 10, 2004 06:24 PM

I'm so glad to see that some people in this county "get it". I've heard so much B/S over the past few days from citizens who actually believe our occupation of Iraq is just and has something to do with our national security. For those who haven't figured it out : THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAR ON TERROR, Its Dick Cheney's and Rumsfield's and Wolfowitz's personal vendetta.

Posted by: Vinny at May 10, 2004 09:32 PM

I'm so glad to see that some people in this county "get it". I've heard so much B/S over the past few days from citizens who actually believe our occupation of Iraq is just and has something to do with our national security. For those who haven't figured it out : THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAR ON TERROR, Its Dick Cheney's and Rumsfield's and Wolfowitz's personal vendetta.

Posted by: Vinny at May 10, 2004 09:33 PM

I'm so glad to see that some people in this county "get it". I've heard so much B/S over the past few days from citizens who actually believe our occupation of Iraq is just and has something to do with our national security. For those who haven't figured it out : THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAR ON TERROR, Its Dick Cheney's and Rumsfield's and Wolfowitz's personal vendetta.

Posted by: Vinny at May 10, 2004 09:33 PM

If the war on terror is indeed a war for oil, then all of you who truly believe this and posted comments to that effect then switch to Bio Diesel. Vegatable oil, Methanol, and sodium hydroxide (Drain cleaner)
Go to makebiodiesel.com

Watch for new doco "fields of fuel"
I am not affiliated with any of these guys that will put money in my pocket.
British Petroleum just changed there name to Beyond Petroleum and there logo to sunflower.
Depletion plans have been drawn by the fourth biggest oil company.
Rothchilds have just pulled out of gold and managed investment funds but guest what else oil, no joke.
The elites will leave us in the dust once again without telling us the whole story.
I hope we all check this out and make a difference individually.

Posted by: Jackson at May 10, 2004 10:04 PM

"THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE WAR ON TERROR, Its Dick Cheney's and Rumsfield's and Wolfowitz's personal vendetta."
Ha! No, its a little deeper than that. The ultimate aim (of the New World Order/money elites) is a global police state, and global population cull, in order to keep themselves alive and in charge during the coming energy/oil crisis and associated global social/industrial collapse and chaos. One essential requirement in this process, is that the United States cease to be a militarily powerful and free nation of armed individualists.
So, what we are seeing now is the lead-up to:
- The destruction of most of the US armed forces, in an uprising in Iraq. Those who don't die then, will die slowly of DU poisoning.
- A massive economic collapse (soon).
- Crash of the US dollar.
- Declaration of martial law and widespread conscription.
- Complete demoralisation and loss of idealism in the American heart, as they find their country to have committed unbelievable evils worldwide.

There are only weeks or days left to escape this fate. Forget elections, they are not going to happen now that the rigging mechanisms are compromised. Besides, you have a choice only between two equal and conspiring evils. As Americans, you have just one option left - violent and urgent overthrow of your entire ruling system - executive, courts, corporate and police. Hopefully, enough of your military would support such a move. I do not think the military will ever initiate it - that is not their job. You, the people, will have to make the first move.
TerraHertz

Posted by: TerraHertz at May 10, 2004 10:48 PM

Halliburton is not administered by Bush. Bush is administered by Halliburton

Posted by: joe at May 11, 2004 12:58 AM

It is sad that some people are deaply conditioned by concocted lies and btother will stand against brother. Truth will be crucified today even more slimily than 2000 years ago. The american dreem is only a better tailored deception than marxsism, a better lie. We, the dogs, bark and the caravan keeps its course. We spat in the eyes of communist- thay pretended was sprincling (raining). It is sad that for not embrasing a pollicy one can be considered unpatriotic. Loyalty is won, not lagislated, like most of american life is and people are not even awere of it. Sadly (again), we get what we deserve- the government, that is.

Posted by: David at May 11, 2004 04:15 AM

It’s probable that some of the comments I’ve read here would be considered terroristic in the eyes of this country’s beloved leader (for those of you keeping track at home, that would be the Grand Imperial Chickenhawk, Tricky Dicky Cheney, not Big Bad Busherman Junior). It is my understanding that under the Patriot Act, any US citizen who is designated a terrorist (and the process involved in joining the ranks of these marked men is A LOT easier than most people think) gives up many of the most essential freedoms outlined in the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. I fear some of us have already been marked for future regime change in our own living room. Good luck with that.

It was my impression that one writer went so far as to call for a military coup on US soil by our own troops, thereby jumpstarting the second Civil War. I rate that idea as one of the quicker ways to end up in the Western Hemisphere’s version of Al-Ghraib: Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. I hear it's actually a very nice prison to visit but I wouldn't want to be raped and tortured to death there (for all of you foreigners, such practices are called hazing here in America). Making those kinds of comments in public is very dangerous in the oppressively overheated political climate of today. To top the call to arms, I envisioned another surefire way becoming a terrorist: try going to the mall wearing a trench coat with "al-Qaida is the Bomb" stenciled on the back in bold letters with nothing else on underneath but a 20-pack of C4 worn in the hips like a belt. Do all this while strolling through the White House, loudly chanting and cursing in Farsi about the great white whore of Babylon and you will surely be ranked on the top ten list of ways to earn true bin Laden fan club member status in civilized societies like the one we just created in Iraq (Mission Accomplished).

You can probably thank your representative in Congress for ratifying that wondrous, far-reaching, all-powerful document our elected representatives affectionately (read: with blind asinine jingoism) call the Patriot Act. I thought the Will of God Act would have been a much better title. Think about it, who would vote against a bill with a name like that? Regardless, I'd positively declare that this legal labor of love and compassion for brown-skinned people the world over is America's grandest, most altruistic and visionary achievement (Nobel peace prizes are rumored to be out for delivery via UPS ground, so it’s going to take a while for everyone to receive theirs). I’ll bet that in years to come, the Patriot Act will doubtlessly go down in the history books as the framers finest hour, and the Senators who read and ratified it, their finest 36 seconds.

Posted by: Jackboot at May 11, 2004 08:24 AM

Jackboot: I don't think they're in much danger since they are posting pseudonymously with fake email addresses with dynamically assigned IP numbers. As for me, I've just been letting this discussion run its course, checking occasionally to make sure thigs haven't gotten out of hand. You've clearly read the discussion more closely than I have.

Posted by: Kathryn Cramer at May 11, 2004 08:31 AM

i'm glad to have read this whole thread and not having given up half way through.

its good to hear that there are still a lot of americans who care about the ethical issues raised by your current government's way of "dealing with the problems of the world": to be quiet honoust, most people in Europe are convinced that the american people don't give a sh*t what happens anywhere else then the states.

and although i am happily surprised that there are still a lot of americans who completely disagree with, and distance themselves from, this US governments actions and policies, i must make one thing very, very clear: the only way you, the american people, can ever change the way the rest of the world looks at you is by voting for the right people. as long as you are a "democracy" (i never DID understand how there can be only two points of view in a democracy...), you are ALL fully accountable for your countries actions. period.

therefore u should not be SURPRISED that "everyone" hates americans.
yes, even the cute innocent teenagers still at school.
and you should also not be SURPRISED that the US is the main target of global terrorism.
("why do they hate us??"...these kind of remarks makes most europeans slap their forehead in amazement at the complete ignorance, or even worse, complete apathy amongst "the american people"! c'mon: how can anyone be ignorant in 2004 with the WWW and complete media coverage of everything????)

i live in the Netherlands, a country which used to be known the whole world over for its liberal, progressive and tolerant attitudes and ideas.
because of 9-11 and the following polarisation caused by George's famous speech (with us, or against us), we have now completely thrown out our own values and political and cultural traditions.
fear reigns now in The Netherlands: fear of muslims, fear of the war, fear of demonstrators, fear of "lefties", fear of the unknown, and most importantly zero-tolerance of anything...

these were all characteristics the dutch traditionally thought were stereotypically american: it seems that, at last, we have truly become "young americans"...

my world is very, VERY f-uped since 9-11, and the worst part is that we can't influence it one bit. (anyone know where The Netherlands really lies on the map? ;-)

alas, i really think it's up to the american people to change the world back to what is was before. i mean, "you" f*cked it up to begin with, right?

a very concerned cheesehead.

Posted by: Nick at May 11, 2004 08:54 AM

To on_a_train:

Yeah, hard to disguise my being non-native English speaker, that's why I chose such a telltale nick;-)

I can see beyond your words, so check out Richard Moore's site www.cyberjournal.org

A brilliant thinker not just a geopolitical analyst. Highly recommend his articles. Read them in the chronological order they were written, thus the intellectual delight is bigger, guaranteed.

TO PG: Hopefully, by now you must have already made yourself familiar with some alternative info sources, not the usual propaganda governmental stuff. No offence meant, BTW.

Posted by: Stranger at May 11, 2004 02:25 PM

Wow. Like Nick I am glad I hung in there and read the whole thread.

Nick… we aren’t a democracy, really… we’re a republic…

“I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Main Entry: de•moc•ra•cy
Pronunciation: di-'mä-kr&-sE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -cies
Etymology: Middle French democratie, from Late Latin democratia, from Greek dEmokratia, from dEmos + -kratia -cracy
1 a : government by the people; especially : rule of the majority b : a government in which the supreme power is vested in the people and exercised by them directly or indirectly through a system of representation usually involving periodically held free elections
2 : a political unit that has a democratic government
3 capitalized : the principles and policies of the Democratic party in the U.S.
4 : the common people especially when constituting the source of political authority
5 : the absence of hereditary or arbitrary class distinctions or privileges

Obviously this isn’t us… hmmm maybe the next.

Main Entry: re•pub•lic
Pronunciation: ri-'p&-blik
Function: noun
Etymology: French république, from Middle French republique, from Latin respublica, from res thing, wealth + publica, feminine of publicus public -- more at REAL, PUBLIC
1 a (1) : a government having a chief of state who is not a monarch and who in modern times is usually a president (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government b (1) : a government in which supreme power resides in a body of citizens entitled to vote and is exercised by elected officers and representatives responsible to them and governing according to law (2) : a political unit (as a nation) having such a form of government c : a usually specified republican government of a political unit

Yep. There we are. Here is a good site on the difference…
Democracy vs. Republic
We aren’t Iraqi and it is none of our business really how they run their country. Yeah yeah, yak yak starving children, yak yak inhuman treatment … yadda yadda….
Newsflash, folks…. There are kids here who go to bed hungry every night always have been, and probably always will be…. I know kids who hate this time of year because the only *good* meal they get each day is at school. What’s the saying? Charity begins at home? Bush cuts funds for programs while asking for $25bn is obscene.
I guess if the American kids who are starving, or stealing or running drugs at an early age to be able to feed themselves had big oil reserves they’d be taken care of, come to think of it.
I have to agree with this

Sandals,I think it not your business, anyway. As far as I know you are not Iraqi to deside what to do with Iraq and how. It is called imperialism and colonialism if you are not aware. And Islamist theocracy is precisely what Iranians got after USA liberated them from secular democratic Mossadyq and installed torture-loving Shach. Iranians got rid of Shach but almost all the potential to democrathy was unrooted by the time. The same with Afghanistan.

posted by lidiavolgina.
I sure hope mohammed al-franken’s reply was sarcasm…. Us white Christians, huh? I haven’t read all of this site, but have found some interesting comments here… Like this one…

obviously most Christians and Muslims would never TRULY understand what I say... or accept it... because they tenaciously cling to their judgmental beliefs out of fear and pride... and feel that acknowledging the "truth" of another's path would be denying or diminishing their own path
I have always found it interesting that the fanatical religions have all come out of areas with a hot climate… something to do with wandering around heat struck and dehydrated I guess…

Posted by: surferchicklet at May 11, 2004 02:35 PM

So, the way the Bush administration solves low moral email issues is by taking away email? I bet they will solve the prison pictures 'problem' by taking away the cameras.

Posted by: Ed Kohler at May 11, 2004 09:34 PM

The problem with this world is not policy, politics, religion, the United States, G.W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Halliburton, sweaty muslims, effeminate frenchies, stiff brits, or any of the other asinine topics you are all so dedicated to. The problem is people. There are no good guys. All people are guilty. Would anyone build tanks and rifles and bombs if there wasn't a universal demand for them? Where does that demand come from? I think it comes from the human inability to admit fault or the stark terror of being forced to recognize your own fault by an adversary. Its much easier for the Palestinians to just kill Jews than to actually make any progress and vice versa. Also, that demand comes from an unequal distribution and inadequate amount of resources in this world. Humans covet. They covet to the bone. If humans covet long enough and with the proper intensity, they can rationalize any action, no matter how vile. And you generally need rifles for those vile actions.
There are just way too many people and not enough food, sex, and gasoline to go around. If you're serious about solving the worlds problems, you'll be disappointed if you try to convince everyone to get along and play fair. That's never going to happen. The way to solve the world's problems is to get rid of about 98% of the humans on the planet. Maybe we would remember what it is to be human then.

Posted by: larkin587@hotmail.com at May 11, 2004 11:21 PM

Some of you posters seem to realise whats going on - you know who you are, and you have my respect - you MUST continue to spread the word as fast as possible.

The rest of you people seriously need to WAKE UP !!!
The illegal invasion of Iraq had absolutely nothing to do with WMD or 9/11 or Al-Quaeda, or any 'Liberation' BULL***T and had everything to do with an imperialistic grab for strategic resourses, oil and military presence.
Liberating iraq?...Bringing freedom & democracy? ...how's that?

...by slaughering tens of thousands of innocent iraq's?
...by looting their cultural treasures?
...by privatising their state-owned industries and selling them off at rock-bottom prices to friends of the Bush Administration?
...by stealing their oil?
...by sniping at woman, children and ambulances?
...by destroying essential services?
...by imprisoning innocents in their thousands, and torturing, raping and murdering them?
...by 'handing over power' without giving them any real power whatsoever ?
...by causing the country to fall from its position of 54th in the index of developed nations to 180th ??
...by giving them a sham democracy with no say in who leads them? ......i could go on all night....

Speaking of sham democracies, how about looking a bit closer to home. The U.S constitution is in tatters thanks to the Patriot II act.
If you haven't already read it i strongly suggest you do - its almost a carbon-copy of the powers Hitler gave himself - if at this point you find yourself calling me a dirty pinko-faggot-commie-towel-head or whatever, instead why dont you actually go and look at the damn thing, if you dare - just to prove me wrong?.....well?...dare you look at it?

If you're a real patriot you will, and you'll realise your country's great experiment with democracy is almost over.

The chances are uncomfortably high that your wonderful government will soon (before the election) execute another faked terrorist attack like 9/11, (which they staged in order wage their phony war on terror - like it says in their PNAC document..."[what we really need..] (in order to gain public consent for our wars) is a new pearl harbour" ....and then oh what a coincidence...along comes 9/11)
but the next 'inside job' will likely be even more devastating, whereup your constitution will be suspended (not that its really worth anything anymore) and martial law will be declared. I hope to god it doesnt happen but the signs are looking very ominous.

Oh and you've probably got a re-introduction of the draft to look forward to next year as well

Bye-bye land of the free and the brave, Hello Totalitarian States of America.


Oh and btw, i'm british (and definitely not proud of it) and believe me, anyone who thinks the BBC news is worth listening to - think again (unless your just doing it for amusement) The BBC is nothing more than a government propaganda mouthpiece - please dont give it any misplaced respect...it's trash - not quite as trashy as your own corporate media but trash never-the-less.

”They [the government] know they can trust us not to be really impartial.” - the BBC’s founder, Lord Reith, in his diary

"We are going to impose our agenda on the coverage by dealing with issues and subjects that we choose." Richard M. Cohen, Senior Producer of CBS political news.

"Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we decide they ought to have" Richard Salant, former President of CBS News:

"The truth is so often the reverse of what has been told us by our culture that we cannot turn our heads far enough around to see it." - Howard Zinn

You need wake up NOW before its too late .......and it WILL be too late VERY soon

Posted by: ZimZalabim at May 12, 2004 12:04 AM

funny how everyone who advocates the overthrow of the U.S. government is a forigner.

since everyone here like conspiracies, there's one for ya. sneaky little 'terrorists' (good buzzword. we needed something to replace commi and nazi, and 'witch' was just WAY too old) out to cause more chaos and confusion by trying to get conspiracy belieaving Americans to start a civil war.

I really like how all the conpiracy theories conflict with each other.

one post has the Bush (warmonger, is it?) admin and the Saudis in bed with each other.

another post which points you to letsroll911.org which claims the planes fired missles into the towers right before impact (seriously...you flew a fricking plane into a building...1 missle is gonna cause that much more damage?) states that the U.S. is about to ATTACK the saudis.

which one is it?

oh by the way, we have plenty of email access here in Iraq. the only restriction is that you cannot place privitly owned computers or memory sticks on the CONTRACTOR'S machines. they dont want viruses spread. seams fair enough to me. I've used many a gov't system that doesn't allow intorduction of private media.

now if I want to send a picture home, I actualy use an internet cafe set up by 1st Signal Brigade. they dont have the same restrictions in place. now, their network is a little bit slower (traffic must pass through a special computer controlled by republicans who veiw and censor your email...whoah! a conspiracy!!) but works just fine for sending email home. (typing this on a gov't machine as well).

the only time we wern't allowed email access is when the power grid went down for two days (local power, living quarters had generators) seems the tryant of the us military warmongers made a rule that says we are specificly not allowed to use computers if there is no power on the grid. *gasp* I feel like overthrowing the evil reigime right now.

Posted by: Ryan at May 13, 2004 08:31 AM

I have just been offered a job at KBR as a Power Generation Technician. The pay is phenominal, and I have been told I will be in a secure facility with no outside travel. Does anyone have first hand knowledge of working for this company KBR? I realize that it is extremely dangerous work, but I am more concerned with KBR as a company, and if they are good to their workers and if they will truly follow through with what they say.


James

Posted by: jcmjr at May 14, 2004 12:31 AM

I have just been offered a job at KBR as a Power Generation Technician. The pay is phenominal, and I have been told I will be in a secure facility with no outside travel. Does anyone have first hand knowledge of working for this company KBR? I realize that it is extremely dangerous work, but I am more concerned with KBR as a company, and if they are good to their workers and if they will truly follow through with what they say.


James

Posted by: jcmjr at May 14, 2004 12:31 AM

I have just been offered a job at KBR as a Power Generation Technician. The pay is phenominal, and I have been told I will be in a secure facility with no outside travel. Does anyone have first hand knowledge of working for this company KBR? I realize that it is extremely dangerous work, but I am more concerned with KBR as a company, and if they are good to their workers and if they will truly follow through with what they say.


James

Posted by: jcmjr at May 14, 2004 12:31 AM

Oh yeah, go ahead and work for the $80+ grand they promise ya....it's not enough money for my life and seeing my kids and FREEDOM!!!!!!
KBR is going down.....its worse than it was years ago...Go ahead and gamble with your life...You KNOW how much paperwork YOU had to sign before getting shipped off. You know...the power of attorney....wills, shots, etc.
I HATE fawking Halliburton with a passion...I hope and pray it goes down like Enron!

Posted by: ExHalliburtonEmployee at May 14, 2004 11:21 AM

I don't normally respond to this type of stuff, but, hey why punish other for what others have done like that ugly inbred whoe bag Pvt.England. Others like my Boyfriend that's indeed over there is suffering not allowed to contect me or his relitives and letting us know he's OK....He uses his E-mail and his personal server for that and he pays for it too!!! We are always happy to see each other IM or get an email from each other, It more then a good feeling to know each other is ok it's a great pleaser talking on IM to each other even if it 20 mins few times a freaking week, but still it great pleasuer there. I know the military has a business e-mail line up and running, but it's stricly for business not to e-mail your parents, wife or you beloved girlfriend! I personal I'm quit upset over this matter, just because some ugly chick, her just as ugly boyfriend and there ugly buddies had to make Iraqi Prono......and Stick panties on the one guy's head....So why punish all that wasn't involed with it. Nothen but bunch punishment for our good GI's and there Families! Because, of this Iraqi Prono, and Some poor non-GI american get beheaded and some other asswipes leaked info out......OH F**KING Jesus! Yes! I'm pissed and angured by this, I have no why of getting hold of my man, I have no freaking address for him, because he's at a classified location and I hope he can aleast write me and maybe have an address i can send stuff back to him. Anyhow, I just freaking Pissed off at this matter. He knows I love him and trust him 100% and I did fear at one point he think I think he dumped me, He dosen't have to worry, our love is strong! But my anger to the fact he can't get on IM and Email is stronger and I want to kick the Deparment of Defance in the ass!

Posted by: Kimberleigh at May 16, 2004 06:09 AM

Hate to burst all your bubbles. Halliburton/KBR does not provide communications services for US Troops in Iraq.

Might want to move on to the next conspiracy theory.

Posted by: In Iraq at May 24, 2004 06:13 AM

As a KBR IT Supervisor, in Iraq, I can honestly say that you don't know what the hell you are talking about. I supervise three satellite systems here in Baghdad and NONE of them have EVER been used, nor are they authorized for use, by the military for MWR use.

We simply aren't allowed, by the military, or corporate policy to provide those services. That's what MWR Internet Cafe's are for, and AAFES is supposedly in the works on getting that fixed.

Try again.

Posted by: another one in Iraq at June 1, 2004 08:10 AM

I think the least Bush should do is let soldiers talk to "AMERICAN PEOPLE" so we can let them know how we support and love them.In my eyes IRAQ people don't want us over there why can't Bush see this?These IRAQ people can bomb and shoot our troops why could they not do it to Saddam?If anybody can tell me this please let me know.Also if anybody has family or friends over in Iraq or Afghanistan that would like to hear from a AMERICAN who cares please send me a address or e-mail. THANKYOU MIKE PERKINS

Posted by: Mike Perkins at June 22, 2004 01:22 PM
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